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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:21 pm

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I know, but I am just slightly paranoid.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:21 pm

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Jakgoe wrote:I know, but I am just slightly paranoid.

I sure we would have more than enough people to detect fraudlent engines and other sorts of file modding, its quite obvious when someone does it, nothing to be worried about.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:34 pm

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It is all about trusting the community to: 1. Not change the files 2. Report all cases of file changing. While I trust most people who play this game (including you), there are bound to be exceptions.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:37 pm

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Well, you base a tournament on players being fair and reporting results fairly. I'm sure you could base something less competitive on it.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:16 pm

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Because instead of putting each engine to download, users do not share the specifications and each part used? Is better, does not occupy space on the server and each builds his engine. This helps users to better understand the game, and not have how to cheat.

PS: You can by a box for each piece. Piston: Cast, heavy Cast, Forged, etc.. Cam Profile: 50, VLL: Yes or No, and value.

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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:44 pm

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If someone wants to modify his engine files, he probably wants to make them better. Better engines will be downloaded more often. More downloads mean more people having the chance to see that the engine is modified, so it will be reported very soon. I think that's a totally self-regulating system.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:03 pm

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Self-regulating only if the exposed "fraud" has severe consequences though and no exceptions are made.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:47 pm

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Exactly. I think when having a rating system and you get an engine rated 1 star by 500 people, it is self explanatory. With comments to go with it, people can say, FAKE engine... Modified. or something like that. We could also say, that if you get reported 3 times for cheating, you will be excluded for uploading for the next month. if again another cheat upload is found, you will be excluded for 6 months. After that totally banned of course :P

We will make rules later. But its good to get this kind of feedback. Exactly why this is here! :)
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:43 am

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Kubboz wrote:Well, you base a tournament on players being fair and reporting results fairly. I'm sure you could base something less competitive on it.

True, but I know that most of the competitors are regulars on the forums , and are fair, smart, and trustworthy. The ones who aren't are banned.

Der Bayer wrote:If someone wants to modify his engine files, he probably wants to make them better. Better engines will be downloaded more often. More downloads mean more people having the chance to see that the engine is modified, so it will be reported very soon. I think that's a totally self-regulating system.

:shock: The smartness... You have a great point, and combined with testers (and hopefully .lua checking scripts), there will not be many modified engines that are not reported.

WizzyThaMan wrote:Exactly. I think when having a rating system and you get an engine rated 1 star by 500 people, it is self explanatory. With comments to go with it, people can say, FAKE engine... Modified. or something like that. We could also say, that if you get reported 3 times for cheating, you will be excluded for uploading for the next month. if again another cheat upload is found, you will be excluded for 6 months. After that totally banned of course :P

We will make rules later. But its good to get this kind of feedback. Exactly why this is here! :)

In my opinion,
1 violation= "On AutomationHub, modifying .lua files, and then uploading them is a severe violation of the rules <-- *link word to rules*, and if this happens again, disciplinary action will be taken."
2 violations= Banned, 1 month + super-mean warning.
3 violations= Banned, lifetime.
But it's your call, as you are the one who make the rules final.
Note: Banned means banned from uploading, not from browsing the site, or downloading. If there are forums, I don't know if they should be banned from them as well.

Breno wrote:Because instead of putting each engine to download, users do not share the specifications and each part used? Is better, does not occupy space on the server and each builds his engine. This helps users to better understand the game, and not have how to cheat.

PS: You can by a box for each piece. Piston: Cast, heavy Cast, Forged, etc.. Cam Profile: 50, VLL: Yes or No, and value.

So, you want users not to share the 3-7 meaningful specifications? You want them to share 25ish meaningless settings? It would work something like this. Open Automation, open AutomationHub, switch windows, remember bore, switch windows, write down bore, switch windows, remember stroke, switch windows, write down stroke, switch windows, repeat for every part of the engine... It would be easier to 1) Have a tester get the numbers that have a meaning, such as HP, MTBF, economy, etc... 2) Use a .lua parsing script.

Or do you not want them to upload engines at all, and just put the parts and slider settings? 1. The process above would have to be undertaken by both the uploader, and the person who wanted the engine. 2. .lua save files are relatively small, and can be stored in large numbers.

On an unrelated note, all of this feedback is great for the site, keep it coming!
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:54 am

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Actually, looking at it this way is really complicated. As the focus of the site is a lot of users, files Lua makes it very easy and fast. But the engines of older versions are not incompatible with current versions? This would require constant updating, now imagine the automation hub with hundreds or thousands of engines.
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:07 am

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Breno, I understand your point, but there is really no problem with .lua files. They save so much time over manually entering the parts of the engine. Also, all engines from 1198 an on are forwards compatible, as the engine designer is feature locked. If we don't have enough space, we will just remove the lowest rated engines.
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:26 am

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And... if engines appear to be incompatible with the newer versions, we just erase the database.
For the full version of the game, the engines will probably always stay compatible. So when the full game is released, we wont have to erase the database.
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:43 am

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Got it. Keep up the great work! It sure will be of great value for the automation community. :D
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:47 am

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WizzyThaMan wrote:And... if engines appear to be incompatible with the newer versions, we just erase the database.
For the full version of the game, the engines will probably always stay compatible. So when the full game is released, we wont have to erase the database.


I'm just only guessing and dunno the way you are going to manage the lua files but it could be that, while (or after) uploading a (lua) file, some values might be parsed and saved in DB. So you would have a quick way to check the version, etc.
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:05 am

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Great idea Razyx! All of these ideas will really help out with the site.
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