BRC 1966 - Gentleman Brobots Club [RACE 6 P&Q]

[Killrob]

My car in the preseason test has 21 safety, the final submission has that too. Makes it quite a bit heavier :s Maybe Martin needs to add the chance for the driver to be knocked out in heavy accidents if safety is too low

[UMGaming]

My car in the preseason test has 21 safety, the final submission has that too. Makes it quite a bit heavier :s Maybe Martin needs to add the chance for the driver to be knocked out in heavy accidents if safety is too low

+1

[TheBobWiley]

At the risk of my questions never being answered again: it occurs to me that the no-inters strategy might be best thought of as a bet that you won't have extended periods of drizzle during the race. The wets at full wet seem to be ~25 seconds/lap slower at the Automation Test Track than the drys at full dry (~2:22 vs. ~2:47, more or less, for the leaders), and the grip advantage of inters is much less than half the difference between those. If we assume that during optimal conditions for intermediates they're ~10 seconds/lap faster than either drys or wets (probably an overestimate), and you assume that between traversing pit row and the stop itself pitting in to change tyres costs you 20-30 seconds (probably more often toward the top end of that range), then you need a minimum of 2 laps of ideal inters conditions to break even - in other words, five minutes. And under more pessimistic assumptions, you need at least twice that.

...suddenly a no-inters strategy starts to look viable to me.

My thoughts exactly, without all the numbers to back it up.

[Absurdist]

I agree as well about having safety a factor, just because, well, otherwise idjits like me will of course, bottom out the weight, who needs seatbelts anyway? Or Helmets, or cloths even.

I'm not so sure about the inters, just because, if you end up in that area with moderate rain, it could hurt you. I think I'm going to aim to be on the right tyres at any given time (ish). I guess it depends how the rain works, if the chance of staying in that area for much time is high or not. But I guess there is a massive element of chance there.

[07CobaltGirl]

More than 26 safety and less than 1000kg on my car. Reliability greater than 60 (more than 40 on motor IIRC). And under 2:22 on ATT (in game at least). The time didn't pan out as well as I'd hoped in the first test. I was nowhere near my in-game time. Next test is same exact car with new pit/tires strategy. I only had one pit before, but I didn't take tires, and while wear wasn't too extreme (really low camber settings compared with 1945/55), the extra 5 seconds for the tire swap would have most likely been more than made up for with better grip. Looking forward to the results of tomorrow!

[TheBobWiley]

More than 26 safety and less than 1000kg on my car. Reliability greater than 60 (more than 40 on motor IIRC). And under 2:22 on ATT (in game at least). The time didn't pan out as well as I'd hoped in the first test. I was nowhere near my in-game time. Next test is same exact car with new pit/tires strategy. I only had one pit before, but I didn't take tires, and while wear wasn't too extreme (really low camber settings compared with 1945/55), the extra 5 seconds for the tire swap would have most likely been more than made up for with better grip. Looking forward to the results of tomorrow!

Why not always switch tires during fuel stop, the fuel stop takes longer than tire swap if taking more than 15 kg of fuel so fresh tires is always worth (the fuel and tires happen simultaneously in case you were not aware)

Also, good job on those stats, no idea how you have safety that high with that weight.

[07CobaltGirl]

More than 26 safety and less than 1000kg on my car. Reliability greater than 60 (more than 40 on motor IIRC). And under 2:22 on ATT (in game at least). The time didn't pan out as well as I'd hoped in the first test. I was nowhere near my in-game time. Next test is same exact car with new pit/tires strategy. I only had one pit before, but I didn't take tires, and while wear wasn't too extreme (really low camber settings compared with 1945/55), the extra 5 seconds for the tire swap would have most likely been more than made up for with better grip. Looking forward to the results of tomorrow!

Why not always switch tires during fuel stop, the fuel stop takes longer than tire swap if taking more than 15 kg of fuel so fresh tires is always worth (the fuel and tires happen simultaneously in case you were not aware)

Also, good job on those stats, no idea how you have safety that high with that weight.

Well, the idea was I would save time because I didn't think wear would be very heavy (it wasn't) and it was the first test with the new system, so I didn't know what to do and thought I'd try it without tires first. It was kind of a test the waters thing. Keep in mind, you're asking this with the hindsight of seeing one take place, where when we submitted for the one you witnessed, nobody had seen one yet. As for weight, OHV Baby!!! hahahahahahaha It can't fail me a third time.....can it?

[TheBobWiley]

You sure love the OHV, to be fair, I had a V12 version running OHV and almost maxed sliders on valves and fuel revving to 9k RPM... was only about 1 second slower than current car

[Der Bayer]

Sorry for flooding the thread, but I just realized these questions got lost in the backlog somewhere:

Quick question to Der Bayer: if you take a pit stop for rain tyres, does that count as an emergency pit stop for scheduled pit stop purposes? I want to make sure I'm minimizing pit stops as effectively as possible.

Sorry, another question, too: if you pit in because you ran out of fuel, does that count as an emergency pit stop for replacing scheduled pit stop purposes?

If it is within the pit stop window: yes.

Edit: The participant list has been updated and we are at 61 cars now. If your name is Speedemon or pokerking1993, please check your car, especially the tyres.

[Absurdist]

Oh wow... OHV is a real option.

Edit: Oh, oh my.....

[Riso]

61 cars? At this point you might as well introduce a 107% qualifying rule.

[squidhead]

I'm pushing into 2:22 flat using pushrods, I can only deam of OHV

[Der Bayer]

No rule changes so late. Currently there is no holding up by lapped slow cars, so who cares.

[squidhead]

If I recall correctly, back in the early years of F1 the grid was so packed with entries, that each race had people who did not pass qualification. Only 22 or so cars were allowed on track. This could be a historically correct way of running the championship.

[Der Bayer]

This is not F1. Everyone who built a car according to the rules wants to be in the race and will be in the race. Everything else is frustrating.