AMWEC '15 [Finished]

[koolkei]

yup. i won my own bet.

around the same place as usual.

[strop]

The stats would slightly disagree with you, koolkei, look at your AP1 car:

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Actually, while we are here, scanning this chart can give us a list of the cars that are performing consistently, compared to those that like to move around. Keep in mind that up to 5 positions each way often means not much more than a single lap difference, which could be the difference of a single race incident that requires an extra pit stop.

Of course, a lot of the effects on rankings of each car overlaps and some of the less consistent cars might actually look more consistent than they are simply by virtue of everybody else moving around to leave them with a low net change in positions.

The cars that have had an interesting change in positions include:

denta AP1 (28th in the 2nd race, what happened!?)
denta AGTE (10th in the 2nd race, makes me think maybe the two cars were switched around Actually that may... be worth checking...)
sebesseg AP2 (6th in the first race then a horror run afterwards, it has been postulated that its superior drivability and fuel consumption plays a large role in the 24 hour races, so we shall see what happens in Le Mans)
DrNarfy AP2 (15th in RotA)
koolkei AP1 (9th in this race just passed, much better than usual)
KLinardo AGTE (12th in Brazil much better than usual)

[KLinardo]

KLinardo AGTE (12th in Brazil much better than usual)

I'm chalking that variation up to that car's high top speed and being a shorter race where drivability couldn't hurt me as much. The longer races seem to hurt my AP2 and AGTE entries because they are much more powerful with a sportier tune than my balanced AP1 car.

[koolkei]

hmm ditto^

although saying that. it really doesn't match up with my overall strategy. i said screw weight lets go for high power. but then denta out did that compared to mine.


sooooo my AP1 car while it's not really balanced. iirc it's the only one in AP1 that's using a FR layout. think that might have to do with something.

[Sillyworld]

Sorry, I was all last week busy with the holidays and designing a car body (viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8784) But now it's all over and I can take care of this championship again

Here are the results by class and the score for every title is in the OP.


And here are the spreadsheets: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vqye2r5pctm5 ... -NYoa?dl=0 (correct lin this time)

This week's Talking AMWEC will be write by racer13 and he told me he will post it later on the week.

Actually next time - i propose a separate thread where all the AMWEC results are being posted only, no comments, no car entries, nothing. Just results, and "track talk" by the people covering the events, the presenters and such. That would make the even very clear and easy to navigate and re-visit.

I think that's a very good idea, for the next races. Also, I'm planning a semi-live event, I'll be posting the results for hour, I just need to work out a few things (just for the next event).

I shall wait for spreadsheets before coming to a conclusion, but it seems first two races were a lucky coincidence.

Not really you are still the 1st place in the AP1 title, and your car is in the top 5 every race. the only difference is 1 or 2 laps.

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Actually, while we are here, scanning this chart can give us a list of the cars that are performing consistently, compared to those that like to move around. Keep in mind that up to 5 positions each way often means not much more than a single lap difference, which could be the difference of a single race incident that requires an extra pit stop.

Of course, a lot of the effects on rankings of each car overlaps and some of the less consistent cars might actually look more consistent than they are simply by virtue of everybody else moving around to leave them with a low net change in positions.

The cars that have had an interesting change in positions include:

denta AP1 (28th in the 2nd race, what happened!?)
denta AGTE (10th in the 2nd race, makes me think maybe the two cars were switched around Actually that may... be worth checking...)
sebesseg AP2 (6th in the first race then a horror run afterwards, it has been postulated that its superior drivability and fuel consumption plays a large role in the 24 hour races, so we shall see what happens in Le Mans)
DrNarfy AP2 (15th in RotA)
koolkei AP1 (9th in this race just passed, much better than usual)
KLinardo AGTE (12th in Brazil much better than usual)

I don't want to spoil it, but there are 2 tracks that are quite different and have interesting results, because they're short and really fast circuits (under 2 minutes per lap) one of them was Interlagos.
I think that chart it's great, because thanks to the color system, we can see how the cars distribute around the places (most of the top are always on top). One interesting fact is that most of the first places are only 1 lap difference or a few seconds, while the diference gets higher in the lower places.

Remember that the spreadsheets has some randomization according to the values of the car. When I was testing it (for the car I use for testing), it came out that you will almost get around the same result, with a variation or 1-2 laps. Sometimes, but very rarely, up to 4 laps (which means, 4 laps faster or 4 laps lower) but it all depends on the stats of the car and the pit strategy, I think, but i'm not so sure that independing refueling gives you more diferent results every race. You should add that to the inherit variations between circuits for each car.

[AirJordan]

Spreadsheet link is the same as new (awesome!!!!) car body.

I really hope that Alpha will continue to perform this good after all I am leading in manufacturer's championship which is waaaaay beyond expectations!

[squidhead]

I shall wait for spreadsheets before coming to a conclusion, but it seems first two races were a lucky coincidence.

Not really you are still the 1st place in the AP1 title, and your car is in the top 5 every race. the only difference is 1 or 2 laps.

Still, this means that if the dice falls wrong and I spend an extra time in the pits I can be easily knocked off the 1st position in AP1 before the season ends. AirJordan is picking up pace massively.

[strop]

Hm, I would say that it would take quite a consistent drubbing in the standings for the Sepang to be knocked from its top spot in AP1 by the Alpha. The AP2 Prima is a much greater threat on the overall leaderboard, though at this stage it remains very likely that the Sepang will finish on the podium, though it will be quite the upset if an AP2 car finishes ahead of the AP1 car!

[Sebesseg]

sebesseg AP2 (6th in the first race then a horror run afterwards, it has been postulated that its superior drivability and fuel consumption plays a large role in the 24 hour races, so we shall see what happens in Le Mans)

Well considering the 12hr didn't go so well it could be something like that.

To compare, recalling the last races data (i've not looked at the most recent) the Prima and the Spina aren't too dissimilar (at a glance, unless 1-2pts difference is bigger than I realize and I could be mistaken too), but where they do differ makes a big difference. The Prima is about 6 or so seconds faster around the track and holds the same advantage in pit-stop times. So I lose a lot there. The Spina is at the max threshold of the power to weight, and I think it might even be .0001 more (the new calculations give it this so I imagine the old calc spina was the same) so its not a lack of power, but more of refinement. When I submitted I had no clue (and still to a large part don't know) how to tune for proper suspension, especially race-wise. I could go on about what I didn't do that could have made a difference, but that's really neither her nor there.

There is the AMWEC '16 and '90s (hopefully) to look forward to.

[koolkei]

well... now that i look at the scoreboard. i realised 2 things

1. although i finish in the middle of the pack everytime, thx to the relatively consistent performance, all 3 of my cars are actually surprisingly ranking far higher than i expected. TOTALLY out of my guess let alone expectation.
2. my car is like the 'barrier' between the top performing competitors and everyone else. i mean like, the top performers is like in a class of themselves and have far higher scores, but then there's everyone else, which im on top of the 'everyone else' class, and then there's vri404 (sorry). and also almost consistently my cars scores are about 60% of the guy above me.

[AirJordan]

Let me say this again: SillyWorld those spreadsheets are GOLD comparing own stats to others is a great learning tool!

[KLinardo]

Just went through my spreadsheets. I usually have to pit more much often for accidents than I do for fuel and tires. My cars definitely favor medium tires and I'm not impressed with the performance of the soft tires on my AP2 car. The only thing keeping me relatively competitive are my high reliability scores which keeps me out of the pits for some of my wrecks.

[Sillyworld]

Next race poster!

[KLinardo]

IL CAPO is front and center this week. That's 2 weeks in a row for Boss Motorsports! Now if only we were in front of the standings two weeks in a row...

[koolkei]

lol. my car just isn't fitting for the posters..... no headlights, steelies styled rim. just plain grilles