Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Reviews]

[Felgen]

Your headlights are nice and actually have a reasonable poly count. They'd look VERY out of place on a 1980's car, though.

[vmo]

Your headlights are nice and actually have a reasonable poly count. They'd look VERY out of place on a 1980's car, though.

Thanks

And, yep, my headlights are from... THE FUTURE!

[Leonardo9613]

The problem isn't with the poly count anymore, it's the fact that the grilles and vents cheat on cooling. If someone uses them in their cars, the car will have too little drag added by the grilles, which makes them have unfairly good economy and top speeds

[vmo]

The problem isn't with the poly count anymore, it's the fact that the grilles and vents cheat on cooling. If someone uses them in their cars, the car will have too little drag added by the grilles, which makes them have unfairly good economy and top speeds

Ah! Ok.

But I'm not the only that have "cheated" vents.

I will edit the values.

[BlastersPewPew]

No offence VMO but just because you arent the only one doesnt make it right This is one of the biggest reasons I am VERY hesitant to use anything other than stock grilles and vents. VMO, do you know of other parts that are "cheating"? I would like to know so I can stop using them as well just in case they mess up the stats.

EDIT: Now I can see your edited values being ok once tooling and engineering costs are implemented, yours could have very high costs to offset the gains in performance.

[vmo]

No offence VMO but just because you arent the only one doesnt make it right This is one of the biggest reasons I am VERY hesitant to use anything other than stock grilles and vents. VMO, do you know of other parts that are "cheating"? I would like to know so I can stop using them as well just in case they mess up the stats.

EDIT: Now I can see your edited values being ok once tooling and engineering costs are implemented, yours could have very high costs to offset the gains in performance.

Yep.

And the other cheated grilles, the 40-50% of grilles mod (except the latest ones) available in Workshop, because I think that some modders uses my LUA file.

But since my Urban 2016 grille, I'm using the LUA files from the original Automation grilles.

[07CobaltGirl]

Maybe a rule that says that cars have to look like 1988 cars rather than have a body from the last 10 years? Some cars that could easily pass as 88 models (eg. the "not a Golf" and "not a Toyota Starlet") are available from 1975-76.

Generally speaking, cars in 1988 were either aerodynamic blobs that weren't quite 1990s cars (Audi B3, Ford Taurus, Opel Omega/Senator A, Ford Sierra, etc.) or boxy and angular (Golf II, BMW E34, Chevrolet Caprice, Volvo 240, etc.). Typically, the chrome levels on European and Japanese cars (as in the 1990s) were very sparse, matte plastic was everywhere (if you had paid extra, you could get the bumpers and the mirrors painted), and so on. Some ordinary cars (Mazda 323F and Honda Accord, for example) used popup headlamps as a desperate meassure to look sporty (just like every plain and unattractive car these days has low-profile alloy wheels), thus killing the novelty of these for good.

I think it would make more sense to just go back 20 years (too bad there isn't a 15 years limiter in the game). There are some "typical" 80s car looks, but they don't all fit. Looks on a car are very subjective and therefore wide open to interpretation. For the most part 60s cars looked very different from 80s cars, but not all of them. The only thing which can really be agreed on about looks of different decades, is 40s-50s cars don't look much like 80s cars. Even saying this, however, can be subjective, as sports cars of the 50s weren't THAT different from later decades, and some cars kept similar bodies throughout their entire lifespan (think VW Beetle or Porsche 911) with only subtle changes across many decades.

'The Porsche 911 is an example of the same basic design in several different generation. It's pretty obvious that the 993 is neither a 1960's nor a 2010's car, for instance. Moreover, the VW Beetle didn't exactly use cutting-edge tecnology in the 1960's and 1970's. To be fair, the modern day Porsche 911 can be considered a retro-designed car.

I think maybe you're missing my point. While the 993 might not look like an original 1964 911, the body shape is nearly identical, save for a few slight differences. Also keeping in mind my point was a body can be successfully used over multiple decades with minimal appearance changes. The original 911 was produced from 1964 through 1989. That is 26 years of production with only subtle styling differences. The 964, 993, 996, 997, and 991 might not be the original chassis, and it's probably true that there were serious modifications made even during the initial first generation's run, but the body looks nearly identical in shape and size. Since we have no real way of modifying the actual underpinnings of the chassis on trim updates, we have to consider this appearance aspect aesthetically, and not functionally. The game makes this assumption for us, but it isn't visible other than in desirability index and safety stats.

Same for the Beetle, as my comment had no mention of technology and only made a claim of aesthetic value of a given body over a period of time. The technology of the Beetle might not have been high on the charts, but aesthetically, the body survived nearly 100% intact over a period of 60 years! Sure, there are differences, but only a hardcore Beetle lover would really know the differences between a Beetle produced in 1938 and one produced in 1983.

Of course, none of this matters much, since the OP decided to consider it from my perspective and extended it to a 20 year body usefulness, with a "given" aesthetics understood that it must have at least some appearance characteristics of an 80s automobile.

[vmo]

The problem isn't with the poly count anymore, it's the fact that the grilles and vents cheat on cooling. If someone uses them in their cars, the car will have too little drag added by the grilles, which makes them have unfairly good economy and top speeds

Problem solved: today I updated my old grille/vent mods.

[Lordred]

Problem solved: today I updated my old grille/vent mods.

In testing VMO, at minium your hood scoop is still way, way off.

I will not be allowing your mods this competition, but will review them prior to my next.




The Homologation 1988 Group Automation is now open:


Here is the Benchmark car: the 1988 LHE Satalite SX4PE True Drive

[DoctorNarfy]

Double wishbones front and rear.. Must be good for sportiness and drivability, but I can't imagine the off-road stat is doing well. My car has so far taken a more off-road approach, but I don't know now, if that's the benchmark car.

[Lordred]

It is a Benchmark car (the car does not effect the stats weight) and I want people to beat it, so.

stats.

[DoctorNarfy]

I'm working on a car, but it took me all this time to realize just how far away 1988 was in terms of design. I'm thinking Subaru WRX, but that wasn't made yet. But the Chrysler New Yorker was!

[vmo]

Do you corrected the use of my mods?

I updated all cooling multipliers to 0.7 max.

[Vri404]

I tried to build a wagon. Couldn't get the MPG down low enough. Guess there won't be a rallying wagon.

[Lordred]

I tried to build a wagon. Couldn't get the MPG down low enough. Guess there won't be a rallying wagon.

You want the MPG equal to or greater than, if you have MPG higher then 18, you are doing well.

Do you corrected the use of my mods?

I updated all cooling multipliers to 0.7 max.

Already addressed, when you said they were fixed, I tested them, I found at minimum your hood scoop was still way off. So, I have not changed my stance on your mods. I will review that decision for the next event, but for now, the answer is no.