PTT Pro Touring Tour

[strop]

I would have out everything on the table in one move but I had the haunch that if i did everyone would submit a car that was optimized for the event instead of being clever and having to mod a car that may not be the optimal for the event ahead

I get this completely. That's going to be a difficult aspect to balance out if there's any competitiveness to it, which is why in the BSLL I actually integrated various 'crapness' factors into the scoring (though the strongest racers still won out in the end).

[KLinardo]

I want to make sure it's known that I did not want this competition to stop. I really wanted to compete in it and I built a very targeted car for it as far as the vintage rules were concerned. I had yet to fully build my 2015 version, however I had dropped my updated motor into an updated chassis to get an idea on my prospective horsepower, reliability, and speed. I hadn't tuned it at all. It wasn't until we were informed that there was a long distance between fuel stops that I really went to work adjusting my motor and aero to see if there was even a possibility that my Boss Big Block could compete. I really wanted to use that motor because that's my company's original flagship engine. I just might have used the old school 302 and dropped my modern flagship 5.0 block into the new car if I was made aware of the fuel restrictions.

I now fully understand that this is about more than racing on a track, and I would have designed a different car if the whole scenario was laid out in front of me. I went into this thinking "retro racer" and I didn't build a classic car that brings back nostalgic thoughts which was given a new shot at competitiveness by a race tuned engine and suspension. I built a gutted sports car with a monstrous motor that I knew could be tuned to own a track. I'm not entirely sure if my misunderstanding or the clout of rule discrepancies caused that, but it's irrelevant now.

I think everyone who was commenting on this thread and who have asked specific questions genuinely want to compete in a challenge like this. I want to see this played out and I want to understand fully what the expectations of the challenge should be. I think a clear explanation of what all of the rules are (variations depending on valve train, wheel base, etc.) will be the first step in clearing this up. I also think a very detailed and complete explanation of the story we're about to embark on will help us design the proper type of car as well as allow us to become fully immersed in the development of this saga as it goes forth.

[Manche]

Hm,mm I am seriously considering to reopen this (3rd is a charm) and have it ALL laid out now that the spirit of the even is a bit more clear

[strop]

Yes please! You have more than enough interest, and we're all willing to provide ongoing feedback (before entries are open).

[Manche]

Good, i'll do it

[Leonardo9613]

Don't forget that a good, clear visual presentation of the rules would help a lot. Use the list tool and bigger letters to make different sections easily distinguishable, for example.

[Manche]

and maybe add a benchmark car from the get go

[07CobaltGirl]

I rather prefer the vagueness of the rules upfront. Nobody knew in 1975 that in 2015 this car would be used in a "Gumball Rally" type of race. Design it for the times. Then turn around and update it for the rally!

What I mean is, we build a car that would have been present in its given year of production for less than $12,000. Then the race announcement presents us with a set of rules to go by for the challenge set in present day. The only issue I have seen so far is the 800km (497 miles) on a single tank! That's an awful long way to go for any car. 40+ years ago it was probably damn near impossible with anything but a Euro city car (or the Toyota Corolla I mentioned in an earlier post).

It gets boring sending cars built for pure speed around a track. Mixing it up with non-traditional style racing keeps life exciting!!!!

[Manche]

I rather prefer the vagueness of the rules upfront. Nobody knew in 1975 that in 2015 this car would be used in a "Gumball Rally" type of race. Design it for the times. Then turn around and update it for the rally!

What I mean is, we build a car that would have been present in its given year of production for less than $12,000. Then the race announcement presents us with a set of rules to go by for the challenge set in present day. The only issue I have seen so far is the 800km (497 miles) on a single tank! That's an awful long way to go for any car. 40+ years ago it was probably damn near impossible with anything but a Euro city car (or the Toyota Corolla I mentioned in an earlier post).

It gets boring sending cars built for pure speed around a track. Mixing it up with non-traditional style racing keeps life exciting!!!!

That's what I aimed for for the most part, like doing some sort of Top Gear challenge the idea was to gather all the participants in the city of Montevideo (the role-play would start there) and give them a week or so to modernize their beaters making them faster and more relaible in the process while being capable of traveling far

PS since you are the track queen i should ask you or anyone else to make some race tracks from Argentina (Buenos Aires and Pampa zone) and chile (any track near Santiago)

[Leonardo9613]

In this case, instead of having a badly worded email, I think you should have laid your ideas clear and explained them thoroughly. You should have said "Firstly, you need to make old cars that comply with (insert set of sensible rules here). And then, later, I will reveal the limitations you have for the second part of the challenge". Had you explained that, and made it clear that the rules would be secret, and hadn't mentioned how the rules would work for the second part, I reckon that people wouldn't have gotten angry. And if they were clearly written from the start, I would have taken part in this, but I didn't want to have to search for the rules and then have to spend more time trying to understand what you were trying to say or trying to imagine what the implications on the future would be.

[Manche]

In this case, instead of having a badly worded email, I think you should have laid your ideas clear and explained them thoroughly. You should have said "Firstly, you need to make old cars that comply with (insert set of sensible rules here). And then, later, I will reveal the limitations you have for the second part of the challenge". Had you explained that, and made it clear that the rules would be secret, and hadn't mentioned how the rules would work for the second part, I reckon that people wouldn't have gotten angry. And if they were clearly written from the start, I would have taken part in this, but I didn't want to have to search for the rules and then have to spend more time trying to understand what you were trying to say or trying to imagine what the implications on the future would be.

I will do another round of this once i have all sorted out

[07CobaltGirl]

In this case, instead of having a badly worded email, I think you should have laid your ideas clear and explained them thoroughly. You should have said "Firstly, you need to make old cars that comply with (insert set of sensible rules here). And then, later, I will reveal the limitations you have for the second part of the challenge". Had you explained that, and made it clear that the rules would be secret, and hadn't mentioned how the rules would work for the second part, I reckon that people wouldn't have gotten angry. And if they were clearly written from the start, I would have taken part in this, but I didn't want to have to search for the rules and then have to spend more time trying to understand what you were trying to say or trying to imagine what the implications on the future would be.

I will do another round of this once i have all sorted out

YAY!!!!

[Madrias]

I'll be there with a new design I came up with. Nope, it's not going to be sporty, just something I thought of in the instant of a moment.

Edit: Well, um, this is awkward. Looks like I'll probably return with the Captain. Found out that sadly, you can't put a rear-longitudinal engine in a station wagon. Really wanted to, as well.

Edit #2: Ah, found a way to do it with a body style I wasn't expecting. Not exactly the neatest way to do things, but I did manage to put an engine in the back of a big boxy vehicle. I'll probably run it because I've wanted to do something outright crazy at least once, and this will force me to learn how to make a 2 liter V6 perform.

Edit #3: Scratch that. Worked fine until I saved it and tried to load it afterward. Then it threw up and complained about my cheeky bit of fun with getting a rear-mounted engine working. Looks like it's back to the drawing board.

[strop]

I'll be sure to bring something ludicrously ludicrous!

[07CobaltGirl]

I'll be sure to bring something ludicrously ludicrous!

We've seen your work before. It isn't ludicrously ludicrous if you do it more than once. You're going to top the previous "ludicrously ludicrous" scale?