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Post Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:50 am

Re: Sell on Monday, Win on Sunday - Consumer and BROBOT [OPE

And that's precisely the thing that really trips me up, I rarely use undersquare engines so I never get the most out of pushrod engines as I could. But using cheap parts, a pushrod engine does make a certain amount of sense because I couldn't even get all the power out of my destroked engine in the Eco variant due to losing too much reliability if I revved it too high. So in a way I made the engine with the race variant in mind, since that thing revs all the way to the moon :lol:
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Post Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:58 am

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strop wrote:But using cheap parts, a pushrod engine does make a certain amount of sense

*hides all-forged internals under a rug*

Yes! Cheap parts! Absolutely! :?
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Post Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:00 am

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(they're actually not that expensive, at least, not if you have a Forge works lol)

On that note, the review of my 1955 BRC car noted that it was a little strange I opted to use forged internals when we weren't playing with very much power at all, but the resultant boost in smoothness does make for better driveability, and thus significantly better performance!
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Post Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:30 am

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Packbat wrote:And I'm not the only one using pushrods? I knew I should have gone with PAW's traditional SOHC! :lol:

(Small engine bay? That was my reasoning - pushrods have an advantage in undersquare i.e. long-stroked designs because they aren't revved as high.)


LHE uses OHV engines only as a sort of badge of honor, and sheer american stubbornness, and has two primary engine family which are technically the same engine family due to design philosophy. (similar to Fords Modular engine plants, but taken up a notch.)


And yes, all of LHE's motors are undersquare :)
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Post Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:46 am

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I don't know what you guys mean by undersquare engines but I can certainly join the debore club by droping half a liter from my engine!
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Post Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:57 am

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@Riso: An undersquare engine is an engine where the stroke is longer than the bore. It's lighter than an engine of the same displacement that is square (bore equal to stroke) or oversquare (bore larger than stroke) and it has slightly less knocking all else being equal, but a longer stroke means it is less smooth-running and that the parts start losing reliability at lower revs. Since revving the nuts off is one of the easiest ways to increase the power output of an engine at a constant displacement, this is a pretty significant disadvantage for race purposes.
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Post Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:22 am

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How about some Astonishing curves? (get it, the car model is the Astonish..... /ducks)

Only the curves, no numbers.

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Post Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:47 pm

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strop wrote:But the temptation to VTEC that shit up was just too strong!


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Post Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:43 pm

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17-21 entries recorded so far by my count of the OP. The rules seem to be written for a field of 32-46 entries, so odds seem good that we'll hit that target. :)
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Post Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:51 pm

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Packbat wrote:Honestly, what I'm more worried about is that I started out with the race variant and trim - I feel as if I may have made one of those racers-disguised-as-normal-cars that the rules are designed to DQ. And not even made it that fast. :shock:


Probably not. The main reason why Leo made that rule is so people can't enter a full on racing platform that dominates racing but requires basic interior + no radio to fit within the eco class budget.

While I am not using my racing engine in my eco car (2L V6 is a bit mad for a crappy econobox :lol: ), I tuned it initially in a way that made my racecar as fast as possible, and I then detuned it for the roadcar, installing mufflers, a more sensible intake setup and reducing the caminess a little bit.
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Post Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:54 pm

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Packbat wrote:17-21 entries recorded so far by my count of the OP. The rules seem to be written for a field of 32-46 entries, so odds seem good that we'll hit that target. :)


Indeed, packbat. There are a couple of limits, firstly my calculations are designed to work with 40 cars (but it should be easily expandable, if necessary) and, secondly, brobot has a 38 car limit, so those two numbers were the ones I had in mind. However, considering the turn up to the most recent challenges, 30 cars seems to be a good estimate.

TrackpadUser wrote:Probably not. The main reason why Leo made that rule is so people can't enter a full on racing platform that dominates racing but requires basic interior + no radio to fit within the eco class budget.


Also, trackpad is right there. I didn't want people to make -15 quality, fibre glass, double wishbone suspended cars. It would kill the purpose of the challenge a bit, in my mind.
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Post Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:15 pm

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In traditional Honda style, I VTEC'd up a hatchback riding on double wishbones (although appearance-wise it looks more like a cross between a BMW and an Audi). Exceeds 100hp/L even in street tune. For the more sedate driver, the base model returns a fuel efficiency exceeding 6L/100KM without sacrificing creature comforts.

Unfortunately I can't stop Automation from constantly crashing out when saving, so I won't be entering it. Tired of remaking the car over and over only for my work to be wiped halfway through.
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Post Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:51 pm

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Sayonara wrote:In traditional Honda style, I VTEC'd up a hatchback riding on double wishbones (although appearance-wise it looks more like a cross between a BMW and an Audi). Exceeds 100hp/L even in street tune. For the more sedate driver, the base model returns a fuel efficiency exceeding 6L/100KM without sacrificing creature comforts.

Unfortunately I can't stop Automation from constantly crashing out when saving, so I won't be entering it. Tired of remaking the car over and over only for my work to be wiped halfway through.


Just mash the save button on every change.
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Post Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:43 am

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The cost limits are for materials or the total cost of the car?
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