Suggestion: Inclined engines, etc.

[AGTMADCAT]

Hello! I would like the ability to re-orient engines, in order to better fit a tall engine under a hood, for example. The example of this which I'm most familiar is the Saab 900, which had a longitudinal 4 cylinder engine canted at 45 degrees. This allows it to fit comfortably under the relatively low hood.

I saw a mention that you're considering adding additional turbo setups, I'd like to suggest sequential turbos, with a small one for low RPMs and a larger one for higher RPMs. Saab made great use of this in their later model years. Also I know some supercars use engines which are both supercharged *and* turbocharged, but I know that's getting a bit more esoteric. =)

Much enjoying the game so far, looking forward to tycoon elements!

[Daffyflyer]

Canted engines are really nasty to do.

Sequential turbos is something I really want us to do, because of how many cars it's been used in. I'd call that a "probably yes" item.

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SAAB is probably the best example, i could mention BMW, all M50/M52 blocks are tall and slanted

and tbh, would be nice, but i don't see how it would help gameplay, because i haven't encoutered problems with engine height while fitting, the lengh of the block is what gets you

[Packbat]

Speaking as a fan of the Chrysler Slant-6 engine from my parents' 1972 Dodge Dart, I'd love to have the option of trying to recreate it.

(I've never had issues with height, either - maybe that's something that will start turning up later in development, or with different car bodies.)

[maffc]

I always though a slant engine was basically a standard engine fitted at an angle, instead of vertically
Didn't realise there was other differences

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a standard engine fitted at an angle,

for the most part it is, but not all of them

[AGTMADCAT]

I'm not sure what would be "nasty" about canted engines - are there engineering challenges unique to them, or would you anticipate UI issues? I was having a few height issues on one build, but I'm pretty sure I would have been okay if I could have just tipped the engine over a bit, as I had plenty of space in the other dimensions.

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speaking of.. i just thought of the biggest single thing it helps with - actual weight distribution

[Daffyflyer]

I'm not sure what would be "nasty" about canted engines - are there engineering challenges unique to them, or would you anticipate UI issues? I was having a few height issues on one build, but I'm pretty sure I would have been okay if I could have just tipped the engine over a bit, as I had plenty of space in the other dimensions.

There are graphics challenges unique to them, to fit properly in all the engines bays they'll most likely need their own sets of headers and exhausts, they'll probably run into some chassis components of some chassis types too. Trust me, from an art point of view it would end up being a really big job. I'd rather spend that time making V6s!

[CNSpots1]

I'm not sure what would be "nasty" about canted engines - are there engineering challenges unique to them, or would you anticipate UI issues? I was having a few height issues on one build, but I'm pretty sure I would have been okay if I could have just tipped the engine over a bit, as I had plenty of space in the other dimensions.

There are graphics challenges unique to them, to fit properly in all the engines bays they'll most likely need their own sets of headers and exhausts, they'll probably run into some chassis components of some chassis types too. Trust me, from an art point of view it would end up being a really big job. I'd rather spend that time making V6s!

V6's which in turn can have their head art shared I3's. Much like V12's can share heads with I6's to save art development time.

Inclined engines would be kind of pointless in a way, I mean.. I don't know much about them myself, but I don't imagine they have any particular advantages? Other than extra space in bodies with low engine bays.

[TrackpadUser]

IRL they had the obvious height advantage, but in game I don't think it's really going to make a big practical difference.

For most bodies, what limits the size of the largest I6 you can fit in them is the length of the engine, and for the few bodies were you are limited in height, you can easily fit a 7+ liter engine, at which point you would already have switched to a V8.

Maybe there will be a body at some point where it would make a major difference, but I doubt it, and IMHO it's definitely not worth the time required to make all the art.

[Sayonara]

SAAB is probably the best example, i could mention BMW, all M50/M52 blocks are tall and slanted

So are the M43 and N42/43/44/45/46, if I recall correctly.

Other engines installed at an angle, off the top of my head: Nissan RB, Toyota 3S, Honda F20C, almost every motorcycle inline engine ever. It's usually a packaging thing, and if it wasn't for Chrysler I doubt anybody would care whether the engine was installed at an angle or not. Toyota MZ-series V6s are usually installed transversely, slanted backwards, and I expect about zero people in this thread to find that interesting.

[Daffyflyer]

The 3SGE is leaning over in Camrys and other related cars too. Like a LOT leaning over.

[Sayonara]

That's nothing compared to the TZ engines, they lie almost flat underneath the passenger compartment in first-generation Previa/Estimas.

(They're as horrible to work on as they sound.)

[Daffyflyer]

That's nothing compared to the TZ engines, they lie almost flat underneath the passenger compartment in first-generation Previa/Estimas.

(They're as horrible to work on as they sound.)

I know