Modern push rods

[Brucemation]

See, -3 it a bit too low, but MOHV is not pointless, just kinda overpowered. LS7 does not have +10 quality, it just has a kinda decent, advanced pushrod setup.

What you need to remember is that "handmade" does not have to refer to uber-luxury car interiors level of quality. I can also refer to cheap PSP knockoff hand-made somewhere in a Chinese sweatshop. The LS engines are somewhere in-between, I guess.

I just wanted to ask what strange things are going on with Brucemation, he seems very angry for very weird things.
Okay I explain it nicely one more time and if you continue to be a total asswanker then you get banned, okay?

Thing is: what you show in your OP is valid criticism, it points to a bit of an imbalance with the game, namely pushrods becoming too good and MOHV being a bit too good without techpool. That needs to be addressed, maybe by stopping normal pushrod's natural development at a certain point (when MOHV come in). That would be reasonable. We'll have a look a bit further down the line to see how it works out best gameplay wise.

Cheers!

I want to start off by saying I'm not new, unless if you consider following since late 2013 as still new... Anyway in previous builds of the game I had to lower valve-train quality on the LS1 and I don't remember any of the others exceeding +3 except for the LS7 and while I've only done the LS7 so far in this build, OHV is still similar enough to what it was previously that I can tell I will only need maybe +1 extra valve-train quality than I did in previous game builds. Now that's out of the way I'll now address you individually.

Kubboz: You certainly have a good point about handmade stuff, but I do believe I remember reading how engineers from GM's GT1 racing team were involved in the LS7's development, at the very least it's a fact that the C6R's engine is based on the LS7. Clearly a lot of extra quality went into the LS7 and if you think +10 is too much for the valves, then that's fine I guess but you can't deny how uber-luxury car interiors level handmade quality went into it's pistons. If not then I'd love to see your explanation as to why the game has such problems with the LS7's pistons which exceed the RPM tolerance of forged.

Killrob: If you really want to go down this path of like swapping MOHV with OHV while making it a bit more durable and making OHV worse or whatever it is you've decided you must do despite in the past saying different lifter types etc are represented by the quality sliders then sure it's your game I guess, but why only the mid 90s onwards? A new pushrod valve-train is desperately needed for the mid 50s onwards to represent the solid lifter style V8s that America's big three all started making at the time, people have been begging for it to happen for years and now you add one for the 90s onwards only when the OHV option you already had was good at representing the LS engines you claim MOHV is meant to represent? That makes absolutely no sense to me, in fact to me it seems like you did it just to troll or tease fans who wanted a new pushrod option.

[RobtheFiend]

The thing is that MOHV meant for sportier and more expensive engines, as it is quite expensive due to it being made from expensive metals.

OHV was still being used in more modest engines well into the 2000's, in the form of a 2.2L in the Chevy Cavalier.

But when was the engine DESIGNED? Not manufactured. Rover used an IOE engine from 1948 to 1991. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOE_engine That is not a 1990's engine, it's a 1940's engine.

[Slim Jim]

Killrob: If you really want to go down this path of like swapping MOHV with OHV while making it a bit more durable and making OHV worse or whatever it is you've decided you must do despite in the past saying different lifter types etc are represented by the quality sliders then sure it's your game I guess, but why only the mid 90s onwards? A new pushrod valve-train is desperately needed for the mid 50s onwards to represent the solid lifter style V8s that America's big three all started making at the time, people have been begging for it to happen for years and now you add one for the 90s onwards only when the OHV option you already had was good at representing the LS engines you claim MOHV is meant to represent? That makes absolutely no sense to me, in fact to me it seems like you did it just to troll or tease fans who wanted a new pushrod option.

Product development is not about "trolling" or "teasing" fans. It's about coming up with different ideas and different solutions. Some work better than others - and as the game is still evolving, nothing is permanent (at least in terms of balancing).

I remember reading this article a while ago - you reminded me of it when you started talking solid lifters. Having two separate pushrod options as of the 50s makes sense to me as you pointed out, one hydraulic lifter style (equivalent to the current pushrod option - with relatively early valve float), and one solid lifter style (equivalent to MOHV - with the ability to rev much higher).

For balancing purposes, I'd make solild lifters - louder, less smooth, less reliable, have higher service costs, and maybe more expensive - in exchange for maximum pushrod power (between the 50s-80s). Since modern hydraulic lifters are more than capable of revving high (ie. the LS series motors, as you pointed out), solid lifters would eventually become obsolete like mechanical injection - overpriced and underpowered (for the 90s-2020).

That said, I like your idea... not your attitude.

[Bonden]

I had a 67 Chevelle with a (1965) 425 horse 396 - dual point mallory ignition, solid lifters and when everything was tweaked just so, that engine was a beast. So, yeah, solid lifters would be a nice option..