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Post Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:08 pm

Re: Automation Touring Car Championship 2 [FIRST RACE RESULT

I've reworked my car... but my V8 i think was a bad option comparing to the 2.0 Turbos... i only improve some seconds my laptime in Suzuka and need near ten to catch podiums, but well is all i can do.

-Installed 4WD system
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-Retuned the engine with 30hp more
-Some modifications in gearbox, suspension, etc...

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Post Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:31 pm

Re: Automation Touring Car Championship 2 [FIRST RACE RESULT

And it isn't accepted, as stated on the original post.

NO REVISIONS!

Hope you guys understand that this takes time and I don't have much at this time.

Edit: doncornaldie only made his cars for fun, he didn't sent me, something that you,ViruTypeR, did.
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:11 am

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Sorry for that, i was trying with money briefcases but no way lol.
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:00 am

Race Two: Bahrein

ViruTypeR wrote:Sorry for that, i was trying with money briefcases but no way lol.


No problem. Next season you can make use of this new knowledge :D.

However, how big was that briefcase again? i MIGHT be able to make an exception :P

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Race Two: Bahrein

Here are the results for the Bahrein track, filled with lots of straights and high-speed corners, and a couple of very, very tight ones.
Here power and high-speed balance were key.

So here are the lateral acceleration and drag coeffcient graphs. Out of these you can see who had tons of wings, or none at all, and also who is best at making a car balanced.

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And the results, this track hasn't got a built-in tameness penalty, as Suzuka does, so a few of the uncontrolled rockets were able to have very good results.

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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:14 am

Re: Automation Touring Car Championship 2 [RACE TWO RESULTS]

Wow, no wonder I am near the back. I have no where near enough downforce or cornering in my car.
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:15 am

Re: Automation Touring Car Championship 2 [RACE TWO RESULTS]

w00t?!? 13th place, faster than leo?!? 8 points... I'm glad! First time scored at ATCC
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:17 am

Re: Automation Touring Car Championship 2 [RACE TWO RESULTS]

Let's hope the points keep coming because I am going to get wrecked on BRC stage 2, and probably Brands Hatch and the track whose name is impossible to pronounce.
Looking at the current results and at the cars, Pyrlix and Strop are probably going to get good results there.

I am also surprised my car did this good on a fast track, as I had an other build that was faster than it on fast tracks.
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:27 am

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Wow, my car is pretty unusual after all, only Inline 4 car, 0.5+ hp/kg, and aerodynamic as a brick :lol:
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:46 am

Re: Race Two: Bahrein

Leonardo9613 wrote:However, how big was that briefcase again? i MIGHT be able to make an exception :P


Hey! :P

I'm pleasantly surprised at 5th in this stage, actually. I just went back and had a look at the build and discovered a massive amount of fail in my build: apparently while only a medium sized water intercooler was available, I could have used a large air intercooler which would have given me, wait for it, 534hp :lol: And gone faster on almost every track (except probably BRC stage 2 and Leo's extra bumpy special VIR). That's what I get for habitually preferring water intercoolers!

Will not forget to do that next time :roll: Oh well, live and learn!
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:32 am

Re: Automation Touring Car Championship 2 [FIRST RACE RESULT

trackpaduser wrote:@strop

At one point during the design process my car had 4 seats. I even tried to use a radio as ballast, but it wasn't as good as using insulation.

Right now it has 39 insulation and +3 interior quality.

Also, I am surprised that no car has significantly more HP than mine, since I know it is easily doable.

But it's pretty easy to see that power isn't everything, there are only 3 entries over 500hp in the top 10, and only one over 510.

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Dude that's awesome. Also IMHO it now looks much nicer. Is it still NA?


Still N/A and with a shorter stroke lower CC rated engine. Still working with strop to make it even better.
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:00 am

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At last, I have made a car good enough for the top third! *does a small celebration*

Good good!
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:58 am

Re: Race Two: Bahrein

strop wrote:
Leonardo9613 wrote:However, how big was that briefcase again? i MIGHT be able to make an exception :P


Hey! :P

I'm pleasantly surprised at 5th in this stage, actually. I just went back and had a look at the build and discovered a massive amount of fail in my build: apparently while only a medium sized water intercooler was available, I could have used a large air intercooler which would have given me, wait for it, 534hp :lol: And gone faster on almost every track (except probably BRC stage 2 and Leo's extra bumpy special VIR). That's what I get for habitually preferring water intercoolers!

Will not forget to do that next time :roll: Oh well, live and learn!


How much faster is it? Especially since you end up with a slightly lighter engine letting you put more weight at the back.

I find it interesting though that the large air intercooler is available but not the large liquid cooler. I'll try to find which inter coolers are available at which displacements when I get back home.
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:06 am

Re: Automation Touring Car Championship 2 [RACE TWO RESULTS]

I don't know what to say but congratulations on everyone until now who made it decently :P
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Post Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:29 pm

Re: Race Two: Bahrein

trackpaduser wrote:How much faster is it? Especially since you end up with a slightly lighter engine letting you put more weight at the back.

I find it interesting though that the large air intercooler is available but not the large liquid cooler. I'll try to find which inter coolers are available at which displacements when I get back home.


Yeah it overlaps a bit. I'm assuming larger air intercoolers are open at smaller displacements because air has much less resistance than water. Funnily enough this was something I realised only after I made a car with a deliberately smaller intercooler to see how much tameness I could get back by strangling the power, and discovered it went MUCH faster around tracks with high tameness requirements. So much for POWAAAAAAAA :P (then again I was still playing with >1100hp so...)

Without proper balancing I could make 3/4 second if I tuned for the faster tracks, but that'd clearly cost me on the slower ones (at least 5 tameness points, which isn't that much tbh). When I went back and tweaked the power down again, it was an average 0.2s or so each track. Not enough to really change spots on these two tracks I don't think, but that's because I have a relatively aggressive aero setup based on optimisation on green hell (which is a faster than average track).
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Post Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:54 am

Re: Automation Touring Car Championship 2 [FIRST RACE RESULT

Huge surprises since last time all around for me. I hoped, by concentrating on power, to make it somewhere into the middle of the pack of the turbos and ended up with the most powerful engine. OK, Strop going for that beautiful Skyline made it possible for sure and just slightly over that great I6T, but still. Then the results, I was secretly hoping for 1-3 points on that track, 5 if it's going really well. 8th place and 13 points, seriously? :shock:

VicVictory wrote:Making a car light isn't my problem. Making it powerful is.

Of course, I think we'll see later on that the Kaminari is one of the cheapest cars in the competition. I just gave up with a ton of money left because I couldn't figure out what to spend it on that would give any significant gains. Like, I was at the point where I had to burn $3k just to get 3 HP.

Admittedly I've still have a lot to learn about the interconnections of everything but I realized, since last ATTC mostly: The quality sliders advantage isn't about the results they give directly. It is the fact that they open up huge possibilities on all engine sliders everywhere else. Oh, and the importance of the fuel/air mixture slider, especially for turbos.

nialloftara wrote:Wow, no wonder I am near the back. I have no where near enough downforce or cornering in my car.
Me too. Getting some grasp on the stuff in the trim section is the next goal, if I find the time. The other thing is I still can't befriend the idea of using more than one lip and, only perhaps, 2 spoilers built into one double bladed. While still not understanding things properly I've got the impression this car could use more front downforce though, I didn't even use the full range of the single rear spoiler because it made the car slower on Green Hell, the (only) test track I used to get somewhat worth of a setup.
Edit: I'm somewhat missing a simple lip or Gurney flap to place on the back of the car.

trackpaduser wrote:At one point during the design process my car had 4 seats.
Mine actually has, for some reason I could only choose 4 or 5 seats with this body. On some options the automation designers had clearly no race cars in mind, yet. :)

trackpaduser wrote:In general, negative quality doesn't bring much. The price difference isn't that great for the performance difference so I try to stay away from it.
Same here. The only exceptions to note are body and interior that additionally save weight with mostly only a negative effect on luxury and prestige, something I don't look for in a race car.

strop wrote:Yeah it overlaps a bit. I'm assuming larger air intercoolers are open at smaller displacements because air has much less resistance than water.

My guess is since heat transfer onto air is less efficient than water the design decision was that engines profit earlier, aka at a lower air intake mass, from a larger air cooler than water cooler. That as well would mean the largest air coolers are insufficient earlier than the largest water coolers for really big engines, given they are not large enough to provide enough cooling for any possible engine anyway.
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