Training For the Bavarian Rallye

[Jakgoe]

What's your set up?

I'll reveal after the BRC.

[Espennaess]

What's your set up?

I'll reveal after the BRC.

You're almost 20 seconds faster than me
what time do you do on the airfield track?

[Leonardo9613]

Make this of what you will:

I'm rather curious about your time in the stage 3 of the old challenge, if you're good there as well, I am very screwed indeed...

[Der Bayer]

The people around Jakgoe are using an exploit (the same which leads to the extremely low times on the airfield track etc.). They use 20+ wings at lowest settings to generate very much downforce at very low drag. Exploting this bug will not be tolerated. There will be a new rule (max. 2 wings and lips) and people who had more will get another chance.

[Jakgoe]

Whoa, that's completely unfair! The time I posted is Stage 1 optimized car. It will not stand a chance around slower tracks. You can't take away a technical advantage we have. If we know how to do something to make our car faster, you can't immediately ban it. This is not unlike the FIA banning Brabham's BT46 because it was better than the rest of the field had. At least be like the FIA and let us race in this one race. If you didn't want us to use advance aerodynamic techniques, you should have made that clear in the rules. Would you like it if you made a NA engine with 600hp, but it was banned because it would be too dominant?

[Der Bayer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28video_gaming%29

It is breaking the game. The devs already confirmed and fixed the glitch in closed beta (see latest youtube video). It is unfair to use a broken system to gain an advantage. You were not a bit suspicious that such a number of wings is a bit unrealistic and that there might be something broken? To be honest, it is a bit ridiculous to call it a "technical advantage" and "advanced aerodynamic techniques".

If I knew of that bug before, I would have forbidden more wings immediately. You guys knew that the system was broken for a few days now and there was no bug report or at least a question if aero is working as it should.

No one will be disqualified when he used that bug accidentally or on purpose, but the cars cannot be accepted. Everyone who used the bug will be able to send in another car.

[Jakgoe]

Understood, good explanation .

[Der Bayer]

Thank you a lot for your cooperation.

[BerzerKoR]

Whoa, that's completely unfair! The time I posted is Stage 1 optimized car. It will not stand a chance around slower tracks. You can't take away a technical advantage we have. If we know how to do something to make our car faster, you can't immediately ban it. This is not unlike the FIA banning Brabham's BT46 because it was better than the rest of the field had. At least be like the FIA and let us race in this one race. If you didn't want us to use advance aerodynamic techniques, you should have made that clear in the rules. Would you like it if you made a NA engine with 600hp, but it was banned because it would be too dominant?

The "technical advantage" you have is none! You just spotted a weak point of the game and are using it to get faster lap-times instead of reporting it to the developers. I can't see any kind of sportmanship in that!
You should think about what your "advanced techniques" would be like in real life. A car with e.g. 250 wings produces the same downforce as one with only two ... but the aerodynamics are much better? Well ... no!
Futhermore it is clear that a 20 s advantage on the first stage of the rallye will also lead to very good times on all other tracks. Maybe your advance will be shorter on other tracks but you will still be faaar ahead.

[Jakgoe]

Futhermore it is clear that a 20 s advantage on the first stage of the rallye will also lead to very good times on all other tracks. Maybe your advance will be shorter on other tracks but you will still be faaar ahead.

I must say that this car is ONLY good on the first stage. Compared to the NA version, it loses 40(!) sec on stage 3 of the shakedown.

[Der Bayer]

This has probably other reasons (driveability?). Overall you have a huge advantage if you get lots of downforce without generating much drag.

[Jakgoe]

This has probably other reasons (driveability?). Overall you have a huge advantage if you get lots of downforce without generating much drag.

No, actually the driveability was in the 60's. For some reason, we could not get the car to go fast on slow tracks. Perhaps it had to do with the turbo?

[Der Bayer]

I don't know the problems of the car. It is probably not a problem caused by the aerodynamics, that's for sure.

[Espennaess]

The people around Jakgoe are using an exploit (the same which leads to the extremely low times on the airfield track etc.). They use 20+ wings at lowest settings to generate very much downforce at very low drag. Exploting this bug will not be tolerated. There will be a new rule (max. 2 wings and lips) and people who had more will get another chance.

When you say max 2 wings and lips, do you mean we can have a max of two objects that create downforce, or 2 of each?

[Killrob]

When you say max 2 wings and lips, do you mean we can have a max of two objects that create downforce, or 2 of each?

2 of each!