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Post Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:12 am

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Will sections be posted, in terms of engines, such as crate engines, or just bodies to sell with no engine etc.?
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Post Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:17 am

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As it says in the original post, engines and platforms can be posted as well. The only limitation is the storage for the files. Although the files are small individually, it could add up over time. The tagging system (if implemented on models) should hopefully carry over to the engines and platforms.

PS: Your avatar of a GM LS engine is awfully familiar. :)
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Post Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:51 pm

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Jakgoe wrote:As it says in the original post, engines and platforms can be posted as well. The only limitation is the storage for the files. Although the files are small individually, it could add up over time. The tagging system (if implemented on models) should hopefully carry over to the engines and platforms.

PS: Your avatar of a GM LS engine is awfully familiar. :)


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As for the companies. I'm not sure if we would use a tagsystem. Because that would mean someone can tag their company Luxury cars and make real cheap ones for example. And I am not going to check that. Also, only one company per username is allowed, so you would put everything in your company, ranging from all classes. Possibility is though, that we can make groups saying luxury, suv, sport, etc. so you can put them in groups on your own page. But we'll have to see that. First get this companything working and then we can easily add options later when necessary.

As for uploads of engines, models, platforms etc. We WILL user a tagging system, so you can search for realistic models or engines. Those uploads WILL be tested by a couple of testers like Jakgoe to see in what categories they belong and if it isn't some model no one will download, as we want to keep the quality of the website high. It has to contribute to the game. Of course we will have an Extreme tag for futuristic and extreme looking models, but we tend to upload more realistic engines and cars.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:49 am

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WizzyThaMan wrote:As for uploads of engines, models, platforms etc. We WILL user a tagging system, so you can search for realistic models or engines. Those uploads WILL be tested by a couple of testers like Jakgoe to see in what categories they belong and if it isn't some model no one will download, as we want to keep the quality of the website high. It has to contribute to the game. Of course we will have an Extreme tag for futuristic and extreme looking models, but we tend to upload more realistic engines and cars.


I'm not sure restricting what people can upload is such a good idea, it may cause a backlash against your site and cause people to boycott it. It's happened to many a fansite.

What I was thinking more of, is that all you do, is test if it works, and then tag it accordingly. Who cares if no-one will download it, if a person wants to make a shitty engine, you shouldn't stop them, you should just make it so it isn't very prominent with some sort of voting system (5 stars with 0.5 increments, then multiply it by number of votes, maybe?).
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:14 am

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Hmm... I understand what you are saying, but the key thing that you have to understand is that we do not have tons of server space. It would be worthless if there were 1,000 models on the site, using all of the space, and only 400 were worth downloading. That means you could have 150% more useful downloads. If the site gets larger and can expand, hopefully the restrictions will be relaxed.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:38 am

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I agree with Jakgoe here, a server holding that much will be very expensive. I, for one, would feel that it would be good to put a banner ad on the bottom, for instance, as long as the ads are not too in your face. You need some way to make the site more self sufficient. A donation button should also be included.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:17 am

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It'd be very nice if you had a .lua parsing script on the site. You wouldn't need the player/staff to fill in the stats for the engine/platform, whatever.
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That's a great idea! There is a tiny problem with that, as some players might edit the .lua files, and render the system useless. I, (not being a programmer), cannot see a way around this. I am sure that either you or the devs know a way to stop this from happening, and it would be much appreciated if you could tell us how.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:26 am

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Well, I don't think you should assume others will cheat by editing the files. You could do some basic checks (like marking engines with ridiculous technology), but I think it could be user-report based.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:48 am

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Kubboz wrote:It'd be very nice if you had a .lua parsing script on the site. You wouldn't need the player/staff to fill in the stats for the engine/platform, whatever.


Would be possible. I think the script only changes the variable numbers, so those can be read. But it would demand a script and I'm not sure how that will work.
But I think even if you cheat and change the numbers to numbers that are out of the normal restrictions, they still will show.
The engiens and such will need to be tested anyway, so they could test them and see if the stats are outside of normal game possibilities.
Definetly a good idea and I will write this down to implement later. You wouldnt really have to write in all the numerics though, just a screenshot of the stats will do ;)


Jakgoe wrote:Hmm... I understand what you are saying, but the key thing that you have to understand is that we do not have tons of server space. It would be worthless if there were 1,000 models on the site, using all of the space, and only 400 were worth downloading. That means you could have 150% more useful downloads. If the site gets larger and can expand, hopefully the restrictions will be relaxed.



Exactly this. At first, we will need to maintain quality. We dont have unlimited webspace. Also, on websites like simtropolis, you do these things and still have a huge userbase. Actually the qualityrestriction, acts as a booster for people to create quality stuff to be put on the site. We will have to use our webspace efficiently.


gt1cooper wrote:I agree with Jakgoe here, a server holding that much will be very expensive. I, for one, would feel that it would be good to put a banner ad on the bottom, for instance, as long as the ads are not too in your face. You need some way to make the site more self sufficient. A donation button should also be included.


We are lookign into getting some ads on the site, which arent "in your face" but are still there. The revenue that is made with these ads, will be put back into the site by buying extra webspace, or like another great idea I had and discussed with my companion, invest the money into dedicated Automation Multiplayer servers for people to play on.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:51 am

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I suppose having a check for technology would be something to implement. User-reporting is also a good idea. I am still slightly worried about people just changing the values of power, torque, economy, etc.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:58 am

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Of course user commenting will be enabled. Also, rating something as bad when its cheated is also a good way to not approve of the engine or model or so.
We know what the max and min for economy can be, so if anything is way off, it wouldnt be legit. Also, maybe with the calculations we can compare multiple numbers to eachother, like compression and mixture to get a certain economy for example. If its around the expected number, with a slight margin, it gets approved. But thats something the devs should do or someone else, but not us on the website.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:45 am

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I'm loving the idea. Congratulations!
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:48 pm

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Jakgoe wrote:I suppose having a check for technology would be something to implement. User-reporting is also a good idea. I am still slightly worried about people just changing the values of power, torque, economy, etc.

I dont think people would get to far by doing this, is quite easy to detect, if they do it multiple times they get a nice toasty banhammer.
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