False Advertisement

[RoninGT21]

I was watching one of the episodes of Top Gear, where they had an E-Type and a DB5, and it gave me an idea. What if you could do false advertisement on your cars. Say your engine is pulling 285 hp, but you sell it as a 300hp car, then not many people will notice and your sales will go up, but if you try to sell it as a 400hp car, everyone will notice and your reputation will go down. I just think there should be a shady way of playing the game.
Also, as the time progresses, the percentage by which you can fool customers will lower. For example, in the 60's you can get away with a 30% advertisement, but in the 90's you can only do 15% advertisement before getting caught.

[WizzyThaMan]

Would be stupid if you knew the variables of 30 and 15% right? Then I would always be doing 5% less than what I expect is the current advert-fool-prank. If this is going to be implemented, a better way is to do it and then get a random chance of people/reporters finding out, writing about it and giving you a drop in brandpopularity or something. When not trying to fool them, there won't be any negative possible effect of course. 1% gives a getting caught percentage which exponentially grows the more you try to fool them.

A thing to look at, is for example in OpenTTD, where you can bribe the local authority to gain rights to build another station or dynamite some roads/houses.
There is a certain chance some sort of Board catches you trying to bribe and then blocks all communications between you and the local authority for a year, even no advertising or whatever.

[maffc]

What an intriguing concept. Leads to interesting ideas re the consequences if discovered, such as reputations lost and financial penalties from authorities etc, could you rebrand your way out of it and so on

[RoninGT21]

I guess that's even better.
My whole idea is, most games only let you play the proper way. But in real world, not everyone is being nice. Car companies cheat and false advertise all the time. So it would be awesome to be able to choose - play properly, and get achievement for being nice, or cheat your way out and get an achievement for being a dirty player. That adds to the replayability factor.

[Kev2442]

Sure they did so.
For example, the muscle cars from the late 60's and early 70's used to say quite less HPs than the reality. That way they avoided public fear (they sold'em to young drivers) and assurance rises.
In the late 90's, Nissan sold the Skyline r34 as a regular japanese sports car. That means max. 276HP. But it was closer to 310.

Anyway that's an awesome idea. Let's hope for it to get in the final game. I'd rather have 1% detection chance per 10 HP difference. And the difference needed decreases with time. That way we can't really fool people.

[Killrob]

Hmm, yes, that is interesting. I would say it is unnecessary though if you look at the core premise of adverts in the first place.
Ads are not supposed to "tell the truth" but to "present the product in the best light possible", which is propaganda, and propaganda is non-truth. So the question becomes: does more non-truth add to the experience? Do you feel cheated when you open your BigMac box and the burger doesn't look as advertised? Sure, but that is exactly what you'd be doing with telling people wrong numbers too - it's taste was displayed to be a 65, but it really it was a 40.

There will be advertising in the game of course, so we'll see how far we can go with that. Not playing an honest game might be an interesting concept.

[maffc]

Speaking of advertising, one of the things I found annoying about Detroit was, although you could specify a monthly advertising budget for the various media, there was no guidance as to what that money would buy.
e.g. Did spending £500 per month on radio advertising in the 50's get you one slot an hour, a day, or have you swamped it so every ad was yours. It would be great if the full tycoon mode had that guidance and also the effectiveness and reach of the ads used.

[Jakgoe]

I totally agree with what Maffc said. There was no way to know how much advertising was enough. There should be some guidance in the tycoon.

[Kubastach]

i'm also want to say something interesting my friend bought car lastly and discovered funny thing, car was better than in add (slightly but better). after some research i learned that this was a trick. let me explain:
as we know all car's are mostly tested in laboratories, electronic simulation or track, this means that they perfomance in test is probably higher than in normal every-day driving. So some companies to don't lost good reputation gives in add 1-5% lower performance than it was showed in test.
it would be nice if it would be implemented in automation.

[JussiE]

I suggested this same thing a while ago:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2706&p=22434#p22434 (9th post in the thread)

I would really love to be able to fake the stats because it's so common in marketing...

ps. no hard coded limits. Some of the people will be perfectly satisfied even if they are fooled and some are really tight with false advertising. Where to draw the lines, I really don't know.

[WizzyThaMan]

Quite funny, today on the news here: (TRANSLATED FROM GOOGLE, quite funny sentences sometimes )

The court of Breda bends Monday about a remarkable claim bent. Fuel Loss Foundation demands compensation from Toyota importer Louwman and Parqui because the fuel consumption of Toyota's deviates too much from the consumption indicated in the booklet .

The foundation established last year is through collective processes manufacturers tackle and recover damages . According to the foundation , there is deception because automakers consumers play with consumption figures that are never achieved in practice .

The foundation program focuses on Toyota as the largest manufacturer of fuel-efficient cars . It criticizes stunts with a consumption figure of 1 in 28.3, while in reality one is consumed by the group at 17.4 as the Toyota Yaris Hybrid 1.5 Aspiration , a difference of 37 percent . At an annual mileage of 16,000 kilometers to the motorist over three years costs about 1750 euros.

In last night sent press release RAI Association , the umbrella organization of car importers , called the lawsuit " remarkable." According to the association , the consumption figures used by the Dutch car importers simply required by the EU and this offers the advantage that cars so can be compared. with each other " It is known that the actual fuel consumption depends on many different factors , such as driving , weather conditions , load, use of electronic devices on board , tire pressure , etc. ," according to the RAI .

The foundation argues that the EU has to exert themselves. Trolley for car manufacturers

[JussiE]

Quite funny, today on the news here: (TRANSLATED FROM GOOGLE, quite funny sentences sometimes )

The court of Breda bends Monday about a remarkable claim bent. Fuel Loss Foundation demands compensation from Toyota importer Louwman and Parqui because the fuel consumption of Toyota's deviates too much from the consumption indicated in the booklet .

The foundation established last year is through collective processes manufacturers tackle and recover damages . According to the foundation , there is deception because automakers consumers play with consumption figures that are never achieved in practice .

The foundation program focuses on Toyota as the largest manufacturer of fuel-efficient cars . It criticizes stunts with a consumption figure of 1 in 28.3, while in reality one is consumed by the group at 17.4 as the Toyota Yaris Hybrid 1.5 Aspiration , a difference of 37 percent . At an annual mileage of 16,000 kilometers to the motorist over three years costs about 1750 euros.

In last night sent press release RAI Association , the umbrella organization of car importers , called the lawsuit " remarkable." According to the association , the consumption figures used by the Dutch car importers simply required by the EU and this offers the advantage that cars so can be compared. with each other " It is known that the actual fuel consumption depends on many different factors , such as driving , weather conditions , load, use of electronic devices on board , tire pressure , etc. ," according to the RAI .

The foundation argues that the EU has to exert themselves. Trolley for car manufacturers

I think that Hyundai got same kind of difficulties somewhere. Maybe North America...