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How much is a fair price for Automation

What is a fair price?

Less than $5usd - 3.5€
3
2%
$10usd - 7€
5
3%
$15usd - 10€
12
7%
$20usd - 14€
45
26%
$30usd - 21€
51
30%
$40usd - 29€
37
22%
$50usd +
17
10%
 
Total votes : 170
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:29 am

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

i hope you do really well out of it you deserve it. :D
your making that game that we have all dreamed of but all attempts (to date)have failed to deliver.
rock on automation :)
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:36 am

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

Thanks - As long as we do well enough to make games full time I'm happy :)
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:22 am

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

Have you looked at the poll results Alfa, and converted it back to GBP? At current exchange the modal average ($30) is 18.3 pounds and the mean average ($27) is 16.50 pounds. This isn't bargain prices, and its not new game prices either, and this voting is done by true fans of the game, so I take it with a feeling that it is probably slightly overvalued (by about 20%). It doesn't help that the pound is absolutely piss weak at the moment and the aussie dollar is incredibly strong, partly because it is the only real resource (i.e. gold, aluminium, uranium) backed first world currency in the world. Investors are losing faith in the currencies that are floated and the ways they are being managed. Australia is becoming the stable bet as Australia has hard resources (in the ground) to back it's dollar. Really annoys us from an export point of view.

So Lets put some stuff in perspective here, in Australia Battlefield 3 would cost us in shops about 100-120 AUD, from game.co.uk BF3 is 46 AUD. We have always been shafted for game prices, but now it is just ridiculous.

So anyway, lets take a look at some other niche games shall we, and some of these are very niche:

  • Ship Simulator Extremes - $40 USD
  • Trainz Simulator 2010 - $45
  • Trainz 2010: Settle and Carlisle (So a single line) - $30
  • Trainz Download Content: Blue Comet (3 Locomotive, 5 passenge clients) - $20
  • Railworks 2 - $45
  • rFactor - $30 - $55 (on region)
  • Digger Simulator 2011 - $40
  • Farming Simulator 2011 - $30
  • Agricultural Simulator 2011 $20
  • Demolition Company $26
  • Garbage Truck Simulator - $40
  • Driving Simulator 2011 - $32
  • Surgery Simulator - $40
  • Road Construction Simulator - $40
  • Tanker Truck Simulator 2011 - $40
  • Dive to the Titanic - $40
  • Garden Simulator - $40
  • Police Simulator - $40
  • Space Shuttle Simulator and Apollo Simulator - $40
  • German Truck Simulator (now that is niche!) - $40
  • Bus Simulator 2 - $40
  • Tow Truck Simulator - $32
  • UK Truck Simulator (I guess this is niche too?) - $48
  • Forklift Truck Simulator 2009 - $48
  • Crane Simulator 2009 - $40

That is probably most of the niche european games there (most come from 1 publisher).

The average is: $38, as a good portion of these are boxed games, our mean average of $27 dollars for a download game, for a niche market looks fairly good value.

alfadave wrote:also daffy you need to get the $$ out of your eyes and think logical. its easy to make a quick buck but not easy to make a million


Really? Really? You had to post that, did you think before you posted?

Do you think we are developing this game for a laugh? Do you think we put up to 40hrs a week into this game, on top of our normal day jobs, to the detriment of everything else in our lives to take pricing this game lightly?

As daffy said, happy for reasonable arguments and debating but that post was just a little to far over the line.

Also there is big downside with pricing the game cheap, you lose perceived value and therefore lose sales that way.
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:28 am

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

AlfaDave wrote:also daffy you need to get the $$ out of your eyes and think logical.


How the hell is he official tester after THAT?
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:58 am

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and alfa still doesnt know how to use the edit button; but again toes the line and inserts an anti-VW rant.
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:03 am

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

@zeussy: You forgot one, Euro Truck Simulator.
ETS, GTS and UKTS are basically the same, except for the maps.
But it's niche none the less, since those are also games/sims for enthousiasts, in this case lorry driving.

Anyway....back to business!
Hmm.......i would say that a pricetag between $30 and $40 seems reasonable enough.
Especially when someone sees the kinds of work and love you guys are pouring into this game!
Err...or should i say simulator? ;)

Just keep up the good work and we'll see where it takes us.
I'll buy it anyway.
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:27 pm

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

Kubboz wrote:
AlfaDave wrote:also daffy you need to get the $$ out of your eyes and think logical.


How the hell is he official tester after THAT?



Because I'm feeling merciful... for now :twisted:
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:54 pm

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

Along with the pricing subject, as expenses obviously put a crimp into your time allocation have you made any consideration about preordering? If any game is worth preordering this seems to be one.
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:17 pm

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

Preorder is something we have thought about, but i feel we would need to be a lot closer to completion to do that (which is a shame as more money would help us complete it faster!) also to be of real effect it'd need to be enough money to let us quit our jobs for about 6months, that's a lot of preorders!
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:32 pm

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LMFAO.....dave just got grilled....made my day guys....the pricing is very fair IMO.very fair.dave just muct be tight lol... :lol:
id rather be seen pushing a VW than driving an alfa
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:40 pm

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

There is a lot of good reasoning in your big post Zeussy, and I'd like to add a point or two to this discussion:

First of all I'm glad that you see that our poll cannot be representative in any way as we (or most of us)
would easily be willing to pay a much higher price for Automation than the average internet-dwelling Joe...
although I think that the centroid of the normal distribution would be shifted by much more than 20%.

I think your average-price calculation has major flaws though (of course my reasoning could be equally
flawed, but I have had quite a good look at the German games market the past few years).

Most of the games you mention are built around an entirely different philosophy than Automation:
You produce a game with the publisher's licensed super-shitty and outdated engine within half a year;
needless to say that there is no polish, no real quality control. You put it in a shiny box with nice pictures
on the back of it and put it in the big shopping centers like Media Markt and Saturn (these are the major
German chains selling boxed computer games). Yes, that is right... German, because the market you imply
with these games is a German phenomenon almost entirely. But back to my train of thought:

There it stands: the shitty game that no one would ever buy if he or she knew just how bad it was.
If you are not convinced, the excellent independent site http://www.4players.de regularly tests the latest
"Simulators", and it is very very rare to see them get more than 50% ratings - I usually read the tests for
comedic value alone. :D How would you price a game that will not grow in sales through word of mouth?
How would you price a game that is so bad that it's marketing entirely relies on its misinformed buyers?
Yes, exactly, you need to put a higher price on it for it to be worth, as the sales figures will be as
dynamic as an exponential decay...

There is a huge "simulator flood" in Germany right now... and the worst part of it: people are buying them.
There are very very few games in there which actually are decent / good and provide the advertised user
experience. The major part of them is just riding the wave.

What I am getting at: you are comparing the pricing of your game, which you put all your blood and time into,
with (to large extent) F- rip-off productions that follow an entirely different (marketing) approach and thus
need a higher price tag to pay off.

I know that you know that it is not strictly "higher price = more profit"... but some people seem to have that
misconception. What we want is a balance between price, value, and perceived value that yields you, the
developers, the highest possible profit. Why this can mean a low price tag I have described in a previous
post of mine.


On a different note... the pre-ordering: This is indeed an excellent way of financing the last few steps before
release, but just the last steps. Users generally only accept products that are fleshed out already, beta or not.
And I see Daffy has the "correct" view on things :)
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Post Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:14 pm

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Sometimes im glad im from austria, not germany :-P

just my 2 cents to killrobs post:

Media Markt and Saturn are two brands of the same company (its even named MediaSaturn); they both sell a bit of everything with a chip inside or connected to something like that and fits in a car.
Games, consoles, sound systems for cars and homes, 6 kW subwoofers for cars (and i still dont understand the need for that one....), mobile phones, CD/DVD/Blue Ray, washing machines, PC parts and externals, washing machines etc.
But theres at least one near every settlement of more than 100k inhabitants.

why one would buy a farming simulation i really dont know, but they have to sell quite well, since there are yearly releases of it and its clones.
On a side note: WoW is still in the top ten charts.....
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Post Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:45 am

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

daffy this was not ment to be an insult on you i was just saying dont get greedy like games like cod as i think it would fail automation game and myself i want you to get rich and make an automation 2. was not a vw rant either guys i was just saying fact that people buy vw's for the reputation they have even tho they are unreliable compared to older vw's. so the reputation is wrong but it still holds for them. and yes i dont use edit lol. sorry guys i did want to delete one of those posts but there is not delete button or a button i cant find.
p.s. im just putting across that i hope you don't price yourself out the market. £16- £18 sounds right just people are saying they would pay like £50 and i was thinking if u go that way u wont make asmuch. i put a vote on the highest scoring price by the way guys. as im quite into the game.

zeussy did not know in ausy they over price your games that much. battle field 3 is gonna be around the £39.99 mark in the uk
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Post Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:56 am

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

guys another none edited post agin but this one is on purpose. lol
Killrob has explained exactly what im trying to get at guys i might be being a little blunt with how i put it but thats just me i am blunt and to the point. i want the game to be a massive success and i want you to sell millions. germany has nearly the same problem as the rest of europe shit games put the price at £39.99 to make out they are at the same level as more retail games. it does work. people assume £39.99 means its quality.
but with your game for instance being as its a download would be priced at the 16-£18 is right and £25 for a boxed version as it will stand out. people are getting used to games being set at the usual price. you will get alot more word of mouth working if u place ur price more at the level i have said. as your forum members love the game b4 release they will shout about it but if they were to say a higher price when the people ask how much the person they are talking to will forget about it by the time they get back. if its at a cheaper price than the usual £39.99 price range then they will get home and think i must buy that game its a bargain.
im glad you have not kicked me out of the tester and out of the forum as i have great sales knowledge and you would loose out on the insite into the European market.
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Post Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:01 am

Re: How much is a fair price for Automation

Ok, fair enough, I might have got the wrong idea from what you posted, perhaps word it a little more carefully next time :P
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