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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:54 pm

Re: BRC QuER - Hockenheim 1000 km 1976 [OPEN]

The +15 safety is going to drain your money big time, you might be better off doing say, +12 and putting some into the seating to get the weight.
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:59 pm

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Sanguinity wrote:I would gear a bit more conservative, to be honest. 5.1 to 60 is nice and all, but 548hp and 45% wheelspin is too much.


Already pretty high, and spacing of 28 which gives the best results with current setup. Now, this is not a top competitive car anyways, so haven't spent too much time on it.

squidhead wrote:45% wheelspin?! Wow! I am guessing you won't like the rain much?


Probably, which also show's why I haven't squeezed more out of the engine, there is simply no "need", as the money can be spent more efficiently elsewhere.

Absurdist wrote:The +15 safety is going to drain your money big time, you might be better off doing say, +12 and putting some into the seating to get the weight.


Tried, safety None + 15 gave plenty of weight without being too expensive. +12 and 15 in drivetrain and aero though are really costly ;)

This was just meant as a funny sidetrack to show you can make a semi-competitive car with fringe solutions, but not if you want to win. Got my proper NA car down at 2.22.50 and got plenty to work on still, chasing Marcus' sub 2.20 NA time, but not willing to sacrifice too much reliability in the engine, 25 is my absolute lowest limit...
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:01 pm

Re: BRC QuER - Hockenheim 1000 km 1976 [OPEN]

You can also increase weight by adding body quality (and changing body materials, if necessary). Remember to go to the trim color tab before you go back to the results tab, though, or it won't update everything properly.
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:54 pm

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First race back for EMW. Time to start at the drawing tables! :)

Here comes the last place entry... :lol:
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:33 pm

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Another information: Please enter your 2nd car with the player name and a 2 behind it (in BRCTool), i.e. Der Bayer2. That will make recognizing the car correctly in Automation and the BRC simulation a lot easier.
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:10 pm

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findRED19 wrote:Hey, Redhawk Performance Group is currently testing a very similar basic body to what ErinSport is testing...

Well well, this will be fun :D
I've found this body to be pretty darn good in terms of lap times. I'm hoping your car will be very competitive against mine.

Puffster wrote:Love how Erin Motorsports has adapted the teal colour to their racing machine, will be enteresting to see if it helps in regards to accidents.

I do hope it does. It's our team colours, should give us some luck. Perhaps it'll improve on my 15 engine reliability in my BRC66 car :lol:
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:19 pm

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Oh boy. First attempt, 2:40.. Looks like a long R&D Session tonight
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:14 pm

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i dont see big block V8 are viable option for now, yes it can reach 2:24 and 294 km/h on stat but suspension tuning doesnt really help, aero only make it worse, and my car barely have any grip at low speed and im not using turbo plus the 50%++ wheelspin which i dont like it considering its gonna rain. MR does help the wheel spin very well but there no body shell that can have big size V8 with turbo, still not counting the estimated fuel economy yet :?

either i tune the engine wrong or im not found the right powerband/engine size
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:53 pm

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figures i could get 2 secs off fairly easily, but to maintain that is gonna take WAY more fuel
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Post Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:57 pm

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Denta wrote:i dont see big block V8 are viable option for now, yes it can reach 2:24 and 294 km/h on stat but suspension tuning doesnt really help, aero only make it worse, and my car barely have any grip at low speed and im not using turbo plus the 50%++ wheelspin which i dont like it considering its gonna rain. MR does help the wheel spin very well but there no body shell that can have big size V8 with turbo, still not counting the estimated fuel economy yet :?

either i tune the engine wrong or im not found the right powerband/engine size


The Pantera mod body will fit a 5.8l V8.
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Post Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:41 am

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Denta wrote:i dont see big block V8 are viable option for now, yes it can reach 2:24 and 294 km/h on stat but suspension tuning doesnt really help, aero only make it worse, and my car barely have any grip at low speed and im not using turbo plus the 50%++ wheelspin which i dont like it considering its gonna rain. MR does help the wheel spin very well but there no body shell that can have big size V8 with turbo, still not counting the estimated fuel economy yet :?

either i tune the engine wrong or im not found the right powerband/engine size


I disagree, even though I understand your predicament. Atm my fastest NA car is one featuring a 10,5L V8 doing sub 2.21 laps, with further tweaking I am hoping to get it below the 2.20 mark which currently seems possible. But you might want to think outside the box regarding which bodies you are using? And wheelspin tends to be an issue if you want cars with enough power to do 300+ kph :D
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Post Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:53 am

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What about actual drivability of the car? You get wheelspin every single time you sneeze at the throttle pedal and I'm pretty sure you'll be getting a lot of driver errors. And if the rain starts you won't be able to use any power at all.
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Post Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:56 am

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I'm now very curious as to what kind of fuel consumptions people are getting. I haven't had the time to use the Packbat-o-mator, unfortunately. I just get this sneaking suspicion that I'm being even more conservative than I think I am...
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Post Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:57 am

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I can't wait to see all those lap times you guys are pulling to make a stop every other lap worth it :p
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Post Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:03 am

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Puffster wrote:
Denta wrote:i dont see big block V8 are viable option for now, yes it can reach 2:24 and 294 km/h on stat but suspension tuning doesnt really help, aero only make it worse, and my car barely have any grip at low speed and im not using turbo plus the 50%++ wheelspin which i dont like it considering its gonna rain. MR does help the wheel spin very well but there no body shell that can have big size V8 with turbo, still not counting the estimated fuel economy yet :?

either i tune the engine wrong or im not found the right powerband/engine size


I disagree, even though I understand your predicament. Atm my fastest NA car is one featuring a 10,5L V8 doing sub 2.21 laps, with further tweaking I am hoping to get it below the 2.20 mark which currently seems possible. But you might want to think outside the box regarding which bodies you are using? And wheelspin tends to be an issue if you want cars with enough power to do 300+ kph :D

Agreed. I'm running with a 5.3 V8FP (which by the sounds of it is more of a mid ranged size engine in this competition despite how big it is) and I'm getting just over 2:23 a lap. Wheel spin is still a little bit squirrelly at 26%, but it is manageable. Only trouble is my top speed, which is 176 mph (so roughly 285 kmh), which I think is my biggest limiting factor. That said, my weight balance isn't too bad, and I don't want to upset that with a bigger engine. I have used aero, but not hugely. Most of it is for styling :D

I'm beginning to think the two most important factors in this competition are power and weight. For more power, you need more displacement and hence more weight, which is bad for cornering but great for top speed. If you go for less weight, you have to work with less power and a lower top speed, but much better handling and improved economy.
Either way, it's going to be great to see the video of the race. The main battle is going to be between cars that do great on the straights and can't corner so well, and those that are slower on the straights and are brilliant through the corners. However, I haven't the slightest clue which one will be better overall, as of course there's everything else to factor in...
...which is why this is going to be such a good race.

Speaking of which, @DerBayer, how will we be watching this race? Livestream? YouTube video? Interpretive Dance? Text-based adventure game?
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