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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:22 pm

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utopian201 wrote:It is no more harsh than a Jeremy Clarkson review.


And Jeremy Clarkson is a buffoon who dresses up British jingoism and class snobbery as "independent journalism" to boost the ratings of his low brow, gutter entertainment show. Modelling any review based on this clown is only asking for trouble; there are many other better examples and you don't need to resort to cheap jibes to do a good review. :evil:

If you need some inspiration on how to do real automotive journalism, read EVO or Wheels. I've read many car mags over the years and these two stand out as being honest and entertaining without resorting to unprofessional, mocking language; yet you're left in no doubt as to whether a car was good or not. :geek:

Like I've said before, being nice earns you lots of internet points so help the newbies who submit bad cars rather than mock them because they haven't yet learnt Automation as well as some of the old-timers on the Forum. :(
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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:49 pm

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Let me get something clear about this car. It is a rather rubbish car. I showed how it could easily be improved by spending just a little bit more, but if it is really needed, I can do another one by spending roughly the same amount just to show that the car is worse. I have made up for what could be considered unhelpful towards the creator of the car by adding that.

As for the review, yes it is harsh. If I were to write a long review about the car like the Montes, it probably would have seemed pretty damn harsh, simply because I would have to be considerably harsher about it because it is far worse. Yes, I probably would have changed it a bit, and mentioned a bit more of the positive in the areas where it got 3 or more stars. I have already said this to titleguy1.

Jeremy Clarkson seems to you like a useless prat, but there are a heck of a lot more people who watch Top Gear because of him, and like his reviews because they are so harsh. To be honest, I think there are quite a lot of people on the forum who quite liked seeing a car getting a rather naff review. And please, feel free to deliberately make a slightly rubbish car and send them in for reviewing, because it can get tiresome reviewing 3-star or 4-star cars. I can fully understand why you don't like it, and the next time (if there is a next time) a car like this gets sent in I can assure you it will seem a bit more professional like in the magazines you like.
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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:54 pm

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Cheeseman wrote: And please, feel free to deliberately make a slightly rubbish car and send them in for reviewing, because it can get tiresome reviewing 3-star or 4-star cars. I can fully understand why you don't like it, and the next time (if there is a next time) a car like this gets sent in I can assure you it will seem a bit more professional like in the magazines you like.



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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:09 pm

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I was actually going to respond to HighOctaneLove clarifying that perhaps people watch Jezza et al because they're more entertaining than they are informative, yet at the same time, they hold a very significant cultural sway on the impractical, pointy ends of the car market. So your criticism that his reviews may not be a good reflection of the car for all his editorial slant might be pertinent there.

At any rate, I was going to finish off writing BSLL stuff, but felt it relatively important to demonstrate by example. That is to say, I have recently received another supercar for inspection and testing, so without further ado, here is the review, in my own usual style, and once again, not pulling any punches either!

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Now that the a new class of car superlative to even the Supercar has been born, new challengers to the ultra performance sector will always be tested by this yardstick. With the increasingly lofty standards, technical achievements and iconography that these cars achieve, it is simply not sufficient to produce something that works, or even goes fast, but leaps out and grabs you by your collar and dunks you in the Antarctic ocean. Does this one do the trick?

2014 Apex Street-Track

This is one of the most exclusive of exclusive cars, an allegedly street legal version of a purpose-developed track racer. Yet strangely enough, this was not created for homologation purposes at all, seeing as a maximum of only five examples (one less than the Agera 1:One). An exercise in technical showcase, perhaps? With these kinds of numbers, one would hope that this car was a statement, with such great impact that it would skyrocket the brand into legend to boost its fiscal viability elsewhere.

With this in mind, the star rating is what it is, a guideline as to how the car performs in each of the categories relative to other cars in its class, and expectations. I'll be presenting my own impressions, however, which may or may not have a different emphasis, not to mention synthesis. Given the brief with which the car was billed, and the fact it had been sent to me for reviewing, I assumed that it would be an ultimate driving machine, and hang everything else.

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Vital Statistics

Top Speed: 337.7km/h
Acceleration (0-100km/h): 3.8 seconds
Power: 836hp@8900rpm
Torque: 739Nm@7000rpm
Fuel Economy: 10.19l/100km
Material Cost: $67154
Production Units: 1690
Weight: 1258kg


One might imagine my palpable surprise, then, when out of the truck rolled what I can only describe as executive restraint skinned over a sports coupe. Chrome detailing and grille, with smooth lines masking a strangely bulbous nose. A tapered rear end vaguely reminiscient of the F-Type, if not for the telltale quad exhaust and whacking big double spoiler that all but completely obliterated rearward vision. Ah, yes, hello supercar.

Returning my attention to the front, I was immediately concerned by the completely smooth face of the bodywork. It was all very elegant, yes, but there was not a single hint of counterbalancing splitter or bodywork to reduce front lift. I desperately hoped that were not the case, for given the aggressiveness of the rear wing, that would surely spell a lot of trouble at higher speeds. Given that discrepant finding compared to the brief, I had a growing gut feeling it was shaping up to be one of those cars that I preferred to experience from the passenger seat, as I ushered our semi-tame racing driver, Kai Kristensen, into the driver's seat.

In stark contrast to the exterior, the cabin was more of a hint at what was to come. At least, mostly. The racing bucket seats and spartan interior with almost no trim, and hollow door frame, was definitely in line with expectations. Our slight nervousness at a lack of rollcage was perhaps more telling of our own habits, because the other safety features were plenty up to scratch (definitely more a priority than on our own models at any rate), and the carbon fiber frame was plenty enough to hold its own. Yet on the other hand again, the flimsy plastic panels clearly visible from the inside was an odd choice, clashing with the overall impression and throwing me for another loop. What was this car meant to be, really?

Then we started the car up, and the spanners started clattering in the works. Fortunately not in terms of noise, the rumble and roar of the V8 was intensely gratifying... if altogether deafening. Feeling like you're getting punched in the ears every time you hit the gas can be part of the package deal for many sports and race cars, but the Apex didn't even have a muffler, so I have no idea how they expect it to pass any noise restriction regulations.

This was not a particularly encouraging time to further inform us that the car was tuned such that it could only run on 100RON. Now, in Australia, we don't exactly have 100RON. In fact, in most countries around the world, I wouldn't expect any service station you could easily get to, to have 100RON. At least here, anything that is called 100RON is in fact 10% EtOH, and well, when it comes to a (not actually) "street-legal" converted race car, that's not something I'd want to be putting in the tank. So we had to resort to using our own supply of race fuel, which we do happen to get for the purposes of refuelling our own race prototypes (that never run on an open public road). As you can imagine, this put a slight limit on our ability to test drive, tempered slightly by the car's mysteriously good economy.

After all that, finally, Kai navigated us onto our test track (with more than one flesh-melting scraping noise as the car pulled out of the drive... low ride height, check), clicked the car into first, and we were off! Supercar fast off the line? Yes, technically. It squeezed through the first hundred in barely under four seconds, but what was more impressive was the way it kept strongly pulling all the way through the second hundred, and the third hundred too. In fact, the decent acceleration force didn't truly taper off until it was in seventh, on the way to a top speed of 337.7km/h. The quarter mile was dusted off in under eleven, and the kilometer (and three hundred), in a bit over eighteen seconds. Not bad... not particularly outstanding in the class, at least, not anymore. Had this been maybe four, five years ago, this would have been bonkers, but with the new benchmarks, it becomes just that much harder to make an impression.

Now for the nitpicking: I must confess that when it comes to modern race engines (even ones that have been incompletely converted for street use), I am a staunch supporter of the five-valve-a-head setup. Especially when it comes to moderately large displacement V8 blocks, I can't see any real purpose for VTEC to kick in, yo. It's heavier, more complicated and therefore less reliable, isn't necessarily any more economical, and unless set up perfectly, causes lumpy torque curves with peaks in funny places, especially with aggressive valve liftoff, and ultimately cannibilises midrange torque, where it's more effective for transmission setup. Regardless of your stance on the debate on where (if anywhere) VTEC belongs, it's a waste of engineering money here. If you're reading this with intent to make a brutal race engine, you're almost guaranteed to have better outcomes across the board with VVT alone and that one extra valve.

That much I had time to think about while the speedo climbed steadily, until both Kai and I confirmed what we had dreaded all along: there was no aero on the front whatsoever. Pulling some ridiculous amount of lift, the front end felt rather vague coming into the banked corner doing three thirty (something we shouldn't have been, but were becoming depressingly accustomed to since starting this guest review stint), let alone wandering this way and that under the slightest tug of the steering wheel at anywhere above two hundred or so. The suspension was very nicely balanced and responsive, which would have been great, were it not for that horribly imbalanced aero that made about as much sense as the wings on the tail of a Chatham chav special. Which, and I cannot over-emphasise this, is a real shame, because at lower speeds, the car managed to achieve something reserved for the best of supercars: riding all the bumps on public roads nicely (for a racing car, at least) and with zero fuss, while remaining nippy in the corners, with a fairly excellent 20m circle test of 1.44g (albeit, this car was running race-quality semi-slicks). It helps that for an engine of its size, the car has an excellent weight distribution. The Apex was a hoot around the roundabouts, I'll give it that much. And given how crap Australian roads can be out in the sticks, that I'm saying this about the ride quality, is worth something. It almost made the lack of stability control make some kind of sense, though its absence was more of an academic eyebrow raiser in the current market. To have traction control but not stability control? Why not? Doesn't traction control already impair the purity of the driving experience yet those who might want to buy it might also want stability control so they don't bin it into the barriers (especially at speed?)

Other things that bothered me about this car included the seven speed transmission. Frankly, given the power curve and top speed, the car doesn't even quite warrant a seven speed, especially not one with the lower gears spaced so close. Switching down a gear, the rev counter still stuck us firmly in an indeterminate place in the middle of the valley of the power curve... but then again that's the VTEC issue again. Kai and I were quite happy to bet that the car would have instantly been a couple of percent faster around the track if it dropped the VTEC in favour for 40v, used an aggressively timed VVT only and ran six gears instead of 7. There's more than enough torque to go around without getting lost in the cogs.

Then there were the brakes. Peering between the spokes of the wheels, the discs seemed rather a bit... smaller than I was used to. The manual mentioned something about extra grippy race-bred pads for stopping power, which was, I guess, nice... to compensate for undersized brakes. The stopping distance was certainly excellent, but for something more controllable, comfort-oriented twelve inch fronts and maybe ten or eleven inch rears would have been more appropriate, and ultimately significantly quicker around the track, too.

Back in the garage, we popped the car on the rack and pored over the papers to see if we could get to the bottom of this rather confusing swirl of mixed attributes. We were astounded by the amount of engineering and quality that went into the block and heads of the engine, accounting for well over 80% of the time produced to make the car. For all that, the end result just seemed a little... underwhelming. There was no real outstanding feature, package or impression here to show for all that time, and part of the reason was because for all the supreme fundamentals, the fuel system, with a single throttle body, was essentially bottlenecking all that potential. As for the rest of the car, some of the components were good quality, whereas in other places, the manufacturers had gone completely nuts, but we weren't sure of the specific rationale for all of that. Not that this really mattered for anything other than our own curiosity. As a package, the car managed a performance equivalent to that of a Koenigsegg CCX, which sounds like it's plenty fast, except for the fact that was so five years ago, and running on tyres you can't actually buy from a dealer (we would know, it's the same grade as our own preferred tyres).

What was this car supposed to be again? It was supposed to be an ultra rare street-legal version of a race car. Without seeing the race car, we can't really tell exactly what was altered, but by itself, the car already failed from the outset as we couldn't last ten minutes on the public road without being pulled over by the cops, nor could we actually go anywhere without having a race fuel supplier on speed dial. Even those things aside, we couldn't tell whether the car was even supposed to be based on a race car, or was it a supercar with executive touches, or an executive car trying to be a supercar? The tyres, the noise, the 836hp, even the spine chilling ear grinding scrapage of undertray on the road thanks to a ridiculously low ride height, all those things were racecar. But the styling, the mind-blowing lack of front splitter, the funny VTEC, the somewhat lackluster transmission... all of those things really held it back.

In this realm, six of one and half a dozen of the other does not make for a full carton of eggs (that is, if your egg cartons come in boxes of a dozen... if not, then my bad). It makes for a mess.

Given the brief, here's a general list of what we would have done to rectify the issues we encountered:

  1. Splitter on the front. SO MUCH SPLITTER.
  2. Replaced the VTEC with 5 valve a head system and VVT only, with high cam profile.
  3. At least twin body, if not throttle per cylinder configuration, but if this is a racing engine, why the heck is it not direct injection?
  4. The block and head have too much quality for minimal gain, why not redirect time from that into the fuel injection and transmission?
  5. RON requirements are too high, the ignition timing can be dropped without losing much power. 98RON is a far more appropriate fuel for street use.
  6. Dropped the superfluous cog and made the higher ratios a bit closer. 50km/h in first is too short for a race car.
  7. Reduce the tyre profile significantly, 30-40 is probably better for sporty driving. Given the kind of tyres the car is running, one would expect the rears to be wider. A lot wider.
  8. Adjusted brake balance as described above.
  9. Changed the undertray to downforce. It does wonders for mitigating the discrepancies in front-rear downforce. Then it's easier to balance so there's no more ridiculous amounts of lift and the car becomes more Gumpert Apollo and less flying car. Also, got rid of the superfluous ventilation.
  10. Slightly tweaked suspension with more aggressive camber, and reduced bottom out by raising ride height. That scraping really slows you down around the track.
All of these things were small changes, but even with significantly reduced costs and engineering time (which we knew was no object anyway), we are sure they would add up to a very significant improvement in performance on the track in every single way without sacrificing any comfort whatsoever.*


Assessment

Performance- ImageImageImage
Funny engine setup gets in the way of some really good potential grunt. Output isn't lacking, but the times don't exactly stand out.

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For a supercar, the Apex sure handles the bumps well. In fact, not just for a supercar, for any kind of car.

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Apex has produced the rare model that has a superb balance of weight and suspension, which is great for a race car. All there is to do is fix that blasted aero, and not have it wandering into the runoff at high speeds.

Refinement- NADA
What refinement? This isn't even road legal. Get a muffler on the car before you even think about selling it for street use.

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Adequate in the safety or the assists, though the lack of stability control was a bit mystifying. Not that, in the hands of any competent driver, this car really needs it of course, but there's not guarantee the driver will be competent...

Quality- ImageImageImageImage
Much time went into many of the components of this car. Some more than others. The four stars here is an objective average of all aspects, though the plastic panels was a real turn-off.

Reliability- ImageImage
We don't expect race cars to be rock solid. This one was no exception. Given the quality of most of the parts, we traced the main potential issue to the high redline of the engine.

Running costs- ImageImageImageImage
All things considered, the car is surprisingly accessible... too much so given its rarity. If it were madder, had 400 more bhp, breathed fire etc. buyers would have gladly tolerated the increased running costs. As it is, you can't even tell it's a race-based car on the bottom line alone!

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For a relatively light supercar, the carbon body and the premium safety features boosted its rating significantly. No complaints, except, again, those plastic panels. Flimsy stuff for a race car.

Overall- ImageImageImage

There were the good bits. There were the bad bits. Overall, the sum total looks pretty average for what it offers, but the fundamental flaws in the car prevent it from being anything like what it set out to be. A race car ought to surpass the limits of mere mortal production cars. They ought to pull times in the low 1:10s around the Top Gear Test Track, or around the 7 minute mark around Green Hell, and corner harder at high speeds than they do around the shopping centre roundabout. There's work to be done here, if Apex wants to be a real contender for the next round.


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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:10 pm

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Cheeseman wrote:Let me get something clear about this car. It is a rather rubbish car. I showed how it could easily be improved by spending just a little bit more, but if it is really needed, I can do another one by spending roughly the same amount just to show that the car is worse. I have made up for what could be considered unhelpful towards the creator of the car by adding that.

As for the review, yes it is harsh. If I were to write a long review about the car like the Montes, it probably would have seemed pretty damn harsh, simply because I would have to be considerably harsher about it because it is far worse. Yes, I probably would have changed it a bit, and mentioned a bit more of the positive in the areas where it got 3 or more stars. I have already said this to titleguy1.

Jeremy Clarkson seems to you like a useless prat, but there are a heck of a lot more people who watch Top Gear because of him, and like his reviews because they are so harsh. To be honest, I think there are quite a lot of people on the forum who quite liked seeing a car getting a rather naff review. And please, feel free to deliberately make a slightly rubbish car and send them in for reviewing, because it can get tiresome reviewing 3-star or 4-star cars. I can fully understand why you don't like it, and the next time (if there is a next time) a car like this gets sent in I can assure you it will seem a bit more professional like in the magazines you like.


OK, I'll start from the top...

Yep, the car is a bad one, the ratings told us that, but the language used was insensitive. This would have been fine if it was a long term player but since the contributor was a newbie, they should have been helped, not roasted.

I'm glad that you've given feedback to Titleguy1 and I look forward to more humour and less mockery from him in the future!

So you clearly like Top Gear and Jeremy and I used to as well until their reports became less about the cars and more about the spectacle. The big difference here is that no-one is spending any money on these cars so there's no need to get harsh; no-one will lose out if you ease off the nasty stick!

I will build something kinda-crap in the near future and have it reviewed; I like making kinda stupid cars so maybe you could PM me with a list of stupid combinations that would give you a break from all the tiresomely good cars! (I'm serious; I will make crap so you can have some fun! :D ) I just want reviewers to take into account the contributors skill level so that no-one gets dispirited because players with more experience made better cars.

BTW I was using the magazines as a guide; so far only the Top Gear franchises I find have silly biases and illogical judgement calls. Wit is always better than mockery! :D
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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:42 pm

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[*]Dropped the superfluous cog and made the higher ratios a bit closer. 50km/h in first is too short for a race car.
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Do you mean the max speed in first gear is 50km/h? I know a GT-R max speed in first is about 64km/h, it has very short gearing which lets it have explosive acceleration.
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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:50 pm

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The Hu Aspiration that is on the list is the car I deliberately made to be rubbish car. Wait and see how that one turns out.


The makers of cars should be expected that the car will get judge relatively hard. It's not like real car magazine praise rubbish cars on normal basis (except maybe when it's in Communistic country or it is Motorweek). And the review of the Astana City Dweller itself is really tame compare to the comments I made for the card of several competitions entries. So maybe that's why I don't see it as a particularly harsh review.
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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:41 pm

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Dunno, I'd be against submitting deliberately bad cars for review. Reviews take a lot of time to do well, even more so if images are going to be photoshopped. People shouldn't deliberately waste a reviewer's time by submitting intentionally bad cars.

Cheeseman -did- ask for them so I guess each to their own.
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Post Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:07 pm

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You have to keep in mind that a good car does not create a good review.

I have to ask y'all one thing. What is the point of the reviews? Is it for all the readers to enjoy reading? Or is it for people to elongated their e-schlong? The answer would be both, actually, but what should the emphasis be on? From the start, the Hu Aspiration is designed to be 3 things. Luxury looking body, cheap in price and plainly awful quality. It is the Automation idea of a Chinese car. And I dunno, but I think new bad idea would be more interesting than old perfected but repeated recipe.

So yeah, each to their own.
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I kind of want to build some kind of terrible "chinese knock off of a lada" quality car just to see a hilarious review of it's utter awfulness..
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Post Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:33 am

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HighOctaneLove wrote:
utopian201 wrote:It is no more harsh than a Jeremy Clarkson review.


And Jeremy Clarkson is a buffoon who dresses up British jingoism and class snobbery as "independent journalism" to boost the ratings of his low brow, gutter entertainment show. Modelling any review based on this clown is only asking for trouble; there are many other better examples and you don't need to resort to cheap jibes to do a good review. :evil:


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Post Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:49 am

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strop wrote:...
[*]Dropped the superfluous cog and made the higher ratios a bit closer. 50km/h in first is too short for a race car.
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Do you mean the max speed in first gear is 50km/h? I know a GT-R max speed in first is about 64km/h, it has very short gearing which lets it have explosive acceleration.


Saw that counterexample coming, but consider that is AWD. I neglected to mention this car is rwd only and has oodles of torque throughout the rev range. Dropping the cog and lengthening the ratios produced all around faster times... Because I moved the higher ratios closer together. The rear tyres were traction limited by their size, so there was no way to get the car off the line faster than that unless I increased contact area.

I should have been clearer about that in my review. I'll go back and clarify that!

conan wrote:What is the point of the reviews? Is it for all the readers to enjoy reading? Or is it for people to elongated their e-schlong? The answer would be both, actually, but what should the emphasis be on?


It does also depend on the reviewer, which I think is part of the fun. I know what I just posted wasn't a superb example of promoting engineering diversity :lol: but we don't necessarily have to promote a formula... That also depends on the target market. In this case I review to see if the car is as fast and good at racing as it could be, and comment on how it might be fixed, because while there are multiple ways of achieving certain results, when it comes to super fast, certain fundamentals have to be done right or it's not just "character", it's a bad race car :P

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Me personally, I dont mind one bit if my car gets a crappy review, I had fun building it and cant wait to see what is said about it good or bad and I KNOW there will be some bad points and I KNOW I could have improved some things but I had a goal in mind and didnt want to go over that. Not every car is perfect and I have been thinking of just making a cheap cheap cheap econobox (think Escort or Tempo) and see how it gets reviewed, or possibly a resto-mod type of car, who knows :)

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Post Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:08 am

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Cheeseman wrote:Oh wow that is harsh! I thought I was harsh with the Montes Excelisor, which still managed 4 stars!

As titleguy1 is new to the team, I do check over everything before he starts writing the reviews, just to make sure there are no mistakes (and there weren't), so the stars are all as they should be. It really is a dreadful car.

To an extent though, it is OK considering the total costs, which sit just above $6,500. If it were to be entered for the small car comparison, its score would have been boosted significantly, but not enough to pull itself out of last unfortunately.

I have decided to give it a little tune over. EVERYTHING, has been improved, except reliability (which would still be 4 stars, but oh well).
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Let me talk you through it all:
    - Styling is kept simple. I don't like judging styling, simply because it is down to opinion, but I have made a couple of changes anyway.
    - Bye, bye standard steel that will most likely rust in no time, hello better, lighter stuff that won't!
    - The engine remains the same size, but still very cheap. It may have 15 bhp less, but it is quicker, thanks to better gearing, lighter chassis and better aero. It is also A LOT more efficient, boosting economy massively to almost 63 UK mpg (and I didn't make further adjustments to gearing to make it even better). This is 52.4 US mpg or 4.5 l/100 km for those who don't use what I use.
    - Tyres are only marginally improved. Slightly wider and a better compound. This means the car can now corner better. 0.05G better. It may not be much, but in the spreadsheet it might be enough to push it into the fourth star.
    - Brakes were small at the front (which is OK on a light car), large at the rear and 1 pistons on both. Not ideal. Fronts are now 2 pistons, and the rears are reduced in size. Braking distance has improved.
    - The interior has been improved too. The negative quality sliders have been removed, and the sound insulation has been increased.
    - Suspension has been set to the comfort preset. You can't get much more comfortable than that!

And there you have it, by simply adding an extra $700 to the total costs you can make a world of a difference.


Ok, in defense of the car that I made, and this is not really intended to be addressed to you only, but more of a general message concerning the review of the car. TBH this was the first car I made which I was satisfied about when using the demo version of the game. So I couldn't really opt for much else than a hatchback. That said, I did make design mistakes when trying to make this car. Ah well, I don't care, I have to learn how to do this and at least I can now have a laugh about this car and considering the name of the car was already intended to have some irony in it, what could one expect. City Dweller doesn't sound like the coolest car on the planet now does it?

I think the biggest mistake I made with this car is its lack of focus. I tried it to be a jack of all trades for the cheapest possible costs and still be impressive in some stats. That is why the top speed was kind of high and the rest just plainly mediocre at best. The engine is indeed bad economy wise, and in a way an earlier model I made was in that sense way better balanced, this was just because that earlier model didn't try to be something. The emissions was something I was later kind of ashamed of when reviewing the car myself at a later timepoint. It is really bad, considering the emissions values are more likely late 80s instead of 2014.

One thing though, I still do not understand the reliability comment eventhough it gets 4 stars in that area. Also this car doesn't try to be a luxury car, so the original reviewer shouldn't treat it like that.

All in all, I do not consider this a bad review. Of course the review about the car is bad, as is the car. But at least people probably had a laugh, I surely know I did. To be honest what is more fun than something that is just plain bad, if all reviews are good cars, they would just be boring. Do mind I didn't try to make this car so bad in the first place, it just became bad due to inexperience and lack of focus probably. Also the game crashes easily with some cosmetic body parts. This makes me careful about trying most options. I will learn and improve from past mistakes, though I'm not sure whether to send in any car again soon. Rather like gearcity a bit more atm than this game.

BlastersPewPew wrote:Me personally, I dont mind one bit if my car gets a crappy review, I had fun building it and cant wait to see what is said about it good or bad and I KNOW there will be some bad points and I KNOW I could have improved some things but I had a goal in mind and didnt want to go over that. Not every car is perfect and I have been thinking of just making a cheap cheap cheap econobox (think Escort or Tempo) and see how it gets reviewed, or possibly a resto-mod type of car, who knows :)

The one thing you should never forget though is to just HAVE FUN!!!!

Well said indeed!
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