A couple of questions concerning the "Engine Sharing Forum".

[adamd]

You seem to have misunderstood what I said about engine compatibility. I know what the updates are for and what they do, I'm part of the testing team. The fact it's there is to stop the older engines from doing stupid things in the new balance setup, same as the warning that you get when loading an older engine. As you say, due to the big updates in the next patch this will probably happen again. It is a restriction/warning that is added based on the version number the engine was created in, not a "feature" that is the reason behind each update. This can be seen if you go back a couple of updates, where people discovered you could load older engines by changing the version number in the engine file. Sure, they loaded, but they didn't work brilliantly, having to be refined to re-match the desired specs or causing crashes.

With regards to also pinning your thread, it would seem daft to have two threads for the same purpose in the same place, surely? Being proud of your thread is fine, I would assume gt1cooper feels the same way about his own.

As Pyrlix already said, sure, we could switch thread positions, but then we face the same issue. We could pin both, but I mentioned that already. We could merge them, but that doesn't sound perfect either. Or we could just leave things as they are.

[Corvette6317]

From the moment you posted your thread I was completely confused as to why you made it in the first place, and I even posted in there saying that there is a thread pinned for what you were doing. You completely ignored it.

You can come out with the excuse that yours is more popular, but the vast majority of the posts are yours. I go into it frequently, simply to have a look to see if my comment has been noticed. Every time I go in I get perilously close to asking you the same question.

It makes absolutely no sense for your thread to exist and it makes even less sense to have yours pinned to the top. All I can say is, if I was a moderator right now, I would have closed your thread, moved the posts from yours to the other thread and closed this one too. I don't know everything that can be done here, so I don't know what might be done, but I don't reckon that both threads will remain open for long

Well it's a fact that mine's the more popular one, it gets more views daily and it's been getting just as much if not more posts from other people than the other one since it was created. And if what you say is true about you posting in my recreation thread, well, I know for a fact that my friend replied to another person who brought up the same point as what you claimed to have made.

So, congrats for posting something without any point behind it. I guess I'll add that I recon you'd make a bad moderator who'd abuse his power if you were a moderator, but that's just an opinion based on viewing one of your posts.

[Corvette6317]

You seem to have misunderstood what I said about engine compatibility. I know what the updates are for and what they do, I'm part of the testing team. The fact it's there is to stop the older engines from doing stupid things in the new balance setup, same as the warning that you get when loading an older engine. As you say, due to the big updates in the next patch this will probably happen again. It is a restriction/warning that is added based on the version number the engine was created in, not a "feature" that is the reason behind each update. This can be seen if you go back a couple of updates, where people discovered you could load older engines by changing the version number in the engine file. Sure, they loaded, but they didn't work brilliantly, having to be refined to re-match the desired specs or causing crashes.

With regards to also pinning your thread, it would seem daft to have two threads for the same purpose in the same place, surely? Being proud of your thread is fine, I would assume gt1cooper feels the same way about his own.

As Pyrlix already said, sure, we could switch thread positions, but then we face the same issue. We could pin both, but I mentioned that already. We could merge them, but that doesn't sound perfect either. Or we could just leave things as they are.

Well, okay, perhaps I did misunderstand you, and I never knew about being able to change the version number of engines. Also I'm well aware why older engines become incompatible after big updates, same for platforms/models in case if you thought I didn't.

I agree that it would seem daft to have two threads about the same thing pinned, that's why I asked for mine to replace not just be added and since mine is more popular I thought it would only be fair for it to be the pinned one.

Again, while you may run into the same problem by doing the switch, as mine is currently more popular I believe it's only fair that it should be the pinned one if you guys don't merge them.

[Cheeseman]

Well it's a fact that mine's the more popular one, it gets more views daily and it's been getting just as much if not more posts from other people than the other one since it was created. And if what you say is true about you posting in my recreation thread, well, I know for a fact that my friend replied to another person who brought up the same point as what you claimed to have made.

Indeed it is a fact that your thread is more popular and gets more daily views. I am not denying that in the slightest. In fact, I think your engine recreations are marvellous. The fact that the majority of the posts are your own (or your mate that uses the account, if he posts there too) is the point I am making. And besides, like many, many people have said already, this is not a popularity contest. Who cares whether yours is more popular? It was made after the thread by gt1cooper had been pinned, let alone made, and there is no need for duplicates. We don't need to be told twice about the same suggestion that probably won't be incorporated into the game, so we don't need a duplicate thread doing exactly the same thing. It has been made and done. It may be less popular, but that isn't important. In fact, the popularity may have been robbed simply because you forgot to read the rules and posted yours.

Rules are rules. That's that.

Moving on to the comment I made. I wasn't the only one who said this. Pleb said it on your thread. So did gt1cooper. Then I said it. Then a few posts later after a discussion about why it had been made you said you made the thread without releasing the existence of the other, but you kept on posting anyway. So I apologise, my comment had been noticed. I was wrong there.

So, congrats for posting something without any point behind it. I guess I'll add that I recon you'd make a bad moderator who'd abuse his power if you were a moderator, but that's just an opinion based on viewing one of your posts.

I have no idea what you think a "point" is, but so far it seems to be anything that is the same as what you think. Anything that isn't what you believe automatically becomes something without a point behind it. This has the same point everybody else has been trying to get across, but when it comes to such self-righteous people it can be pretty difficult for them to even consider what other people say. Beta testers, moderators and trusted and well-known forum members are trying to help you here, but that doesn't seem to be enough.

As for your "bad moderator" comment, I know I will never be the best moderator in the world, but assuming that I would be dreadful from simply saying what I would do WITHOUT knowing what can be done is a bit preposterous. I have seen far, far worse moderators that abuse their powers severely in my time (trust me, you only have to look at the Rigs of Rods forum and what a shithole that has become).

Assuming with no knowledge is absurd. Not respecting other people's opinion is impolite. Not reading the forum rules is ridiculous. Anything else you want to do to try and "convince" us to pin your thread?

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as mine is currently more popular I believe it's only fair that it should be the pinned one if you guys don't merge them.

Just would like to emphasise the DISOBEYING THE RULES and the NOT POPULARITY CONTEST parts here. Give me strength.

[Corvette6317]

Well it's a fact that mine's the more popular one, it gets more views daily and it's been getting just as much if not more posts from other people than the other one since it was created. And if what you say is true about you posting in my recreation thread, well, I know for a fact that my friend replied to another person who brought up the same point as what you claimed to have made.

Indeed it is a fact that your thread is more popular and gets more daily views. I am not denying that in the slightest. In fact, I think your engine recreations are marvellous. The fact that the majority of the posts are your own (or your mate that uses the account, if he posts there too) is the point I am making. And besides, like many, many people have sound already, this is not a popularity contest. Who cares whether yours is more popular? It was made after the thread by gt1cooper had been pinned, let alone made and there is no need for duplicates. We don't need to be told twice about the same suggestion that probably won't be incorporated into the game, so we don't need a duplicate thread doing exactly the same thing. It has been made and done. It may be less popular, but that isn't important. In fact, the popularity may have been robbed simply because you forgot to read the rules and posted yours.

Rules are rules. That's that.

Moving on to the comment I made. I wasn't the only one who said this. Pleb said it on your thread. So did gt1cooper. Then I said it. Then a few posts later after a discussion about why it had been made you said you made the thread without releasing the existence of the other, but you kept on posting anyway. So I apologise, my comment had gone noticed. I was wrong there.

So, congrats for posting something without any point behind it. I guess I'll add that I recon you'd make a bad moderator who'd abuse his power if you were a moderator, but that's just an opinion based on viewing one of your posts.

I have no idea what you think a "point" is, but so far it seems to be anything that is the same as what you think. Anything that isn't and it automatically becomes something without a point behind it. It has the same point everybody else has been trying to get across, but when it comes to such self-righteous people it can be pretty difficult for them to even consider what other people say. Beta testers, moderators and trusted and well-known forum members are trying to help you here, but that doesn't seem to be enough.

As for your "bad moderator" comment, I know I will never be the best moderator in the world, but assuming that I would be dreadful from simply saying what I would do WITHOUT knowing what can be done is a bit preposterous. I have seen far, far worse moderators that abuse their powers severely in my time (trust me, you only have to look at the Rigs of Rods Forum and what a shithole that has become).

Assuming with no knowledge is absurd. Not respecting other people's opinion is impolite. Not reading the forum rules is ridiculous. Anything else you want to do to try and "convince" us to pin your thread?

Oh for goodness sake, what is with you selective readers? As I've already said numerous times that since my thread's creation it's been getting more posts from other people than the other thread, so what does it matter if most of the post are by me? It doesn't! Stop bring up that point because it's irrelevant, and stop bring up the "it's not a popularity contest" one as well! Again as I've already said before, another person said gt1cooper's thread was pinned to make that thread more accessible since they believed it would be a popular thread so why shouldn't mine be put up there to make it more accessible? And if my thread did break the rules by existing then just get someone to delete it already gosh.

And so what if we kept posting? We had already made the thread, the damage had already been done so why shouldn't we have continued posting to our thread?

You failed to say anything that furthered the conversation, that's why your post was pointless. All you did was recycle other people's points which I had already refuted, that's why it was pointless not that it wasn't the same as what I thought.

I already said how it was wrong to assume something based on one post within that same sentence! Gosh darn, you selective readers are something else.

And once again mister selective reader, I asked if my thread could be pinned, it's not like I started this thread demanding my recreation thread to be pinned. I really hate selective readers like you, you're so annoying to me.

[Microwave]

Perhaps you could be a little more polite...

[Cheeseman]

Right, continue being rude then. Respect me that way, and I will return the favour.

As I see you are a bit thick I will break this down for you.

Oh for goodness sake, what is with you selective readers?

Did you even read my post entirely? It appears not.

As I've already said numerous times that since my thread's creation it's been getting more posts from other people than the other thread, so what does it matter if most of the post are by me? It doesn't!

Contradict much? If you are trying to make a point saying that your thread is popular, of course it matters whether the majority of the posts are yours. What kind of nonsense is this?

Stop bring up that point because it's irrelevant, and stop bring up the "it's not a popularity contest" one as well!

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Seriously. We know it is irrelevant to you. The world apparently revolves around what you say so far. It is relevant to the rest. Same goes for the popularity thing.

Again as I've already said before, another person said gt1cooper's thread was pinned to make that thread more accessible since they believed it would be a popular thread so why shouldn't mine be put up there to make it more accessible? And if my thread did break the rules by existing then just get someone to delete it already gosh.

Your new name is Señor Contradict.

Yes it was pinned because it was popular and considered a good idea. You "stole" the popularity by not reading the rules and posting away endlessly until it got popular. I am pretty sure if you did the same thing where you should do it the same would happen.

Now, if you are so desperate to get it pinned in one line, why do you go and mention about it breaking the forum rules and it potentially being deleted in the next, Sr. Contradict?

And so what if we kept posting? We had already made the thread, the damage had already been done so why shouldn't we have continued posting to our thread?

IQ level dropping fast.

You are right by saying the damage had already been done, but that is only breaking the rules. Dragging the attention from the pinned thread would stop instantly if you stopped posting on the thread and started posting in the other. The damage isn't truly done then. Instead, it is like a simple, almost harmless infection that can be cured with a simple drug. No damage after it's been cured.

You failed to say anything that furthered the conversation, that's why your post was pointless. All you did was recycle other people's points which I had already refuted, that's why it was pointless not that it wasn't the same as what I thought.

And you aren't doing the same then? That means that your post is pointless too, and so is this one. I clarified what the others said because it appeared you had poor reading and comprehension skills, but now you put it that way it just makes you look like an arse.

Refuted, ha! With?

I already said how it was wrong to assume something based on one post within that same sentence! Gosh darn, you selective readers are something else.

I did read that. I was just clarifying on what you said. In fact, I forgot to mention something. If you knew fully well that it is wrong, why did you do it in the first place?

And once again mister selective reader, I asked if my thread could be pinned, it's not like I started this thread demanding my recreation thread to be pinned. I really hate selective readers like you, you're so annoying to me.

You opened the thread asking. Then after you were told no you couldn't accept it and the rest of this time you have been demanding.

You have a brain. Bloody well use it.

And you know what, ignorant, self-righteous, impolite and unintelligent people aren't my cup of tea either. Neither are they for 99% of the population. And then there is the fact that you only seem to skim posts and pick out on the things you have already answered.

The diagnosis has been completed. Deuterostomes we all are, but unfortunately it appears your mouth or intelligence never developed. You appear to be suffering from chronic arsehole disease. I wish you well in life.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Pleb]

Long story short: There's already a thread identical to yours pinned. Yours won't get pinned purely due to the fact that there already is one, which you should have noticed before you made your thread.

So you can still have your precious thread, just not pinned to the top, which really is no big deal. I'm sure if anyone could have a pinned thread just by asking, there would be a war. The moderators and developers choose which threads they want. If they see a need for it to be pinned, so be it, they will pin your thread. But there isn't a need for your thread, so it will stay where it is.

Can we close this thread now?

[adamd]

Sorry, the slanging match ends here. As suggested, thread locked.