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Post Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:35 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

I don't care about the individual ratios. I think you will still end up with the same result and the only exeption could be very short first gear or very long top gear...

But the torque rating as mentioned earlier would be intresting aspect. The more torque transmission is rated to the more expensive it becomes plus the usual things related to MTBF etc... Where this will become the problem mostly is with the diesel engines if they ever made into the game. Also this is why many diesels have electrically limited flat torque curve to prevent the transmission to blow up...
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Post Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:15 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

Gearbox weight scales with engine torque, while drivetrain weight scales with power. It is assumed that the extra weight offsets reliability issues from the higher stress levels.
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Post Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:38 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

Killrob wrote:Gearbox weight scales with engine torque, while drivetrain weight scales with power. It is assumed that the extra weight offsets reliability issues from the higher stress levels.

Well yes. Sounds about right if the expensiveness scales also after that part is done... Why the f*** should we have billions of sliders that actually has nothing to do with the game play itself? :D

Only way the slider would be valid is if we had the gearbox designer and we would have to use the same exact gearbox on multiple models. Then you'd have to decide whether to create one more expensive gearbox and use it in many models or to create few different gearboxes. The cheapest for the most basic models and the more expensive boxes for more expensive cars.

But I don't know if this would be fun game play wise.
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Post Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:43 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

May I suggest a thing about the gearbox setting? Put a check box if you want the last gear as overdrive gear. While activated the last gear it's longer than the other to improve highway mileage.
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Post Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:23 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

i would be happy to see an actual gearbox designer or some other mechanic to use the same gearboxes over a lot of engines

BMW's 6cyl Getrag unit on the E36 for a good example, the thing lived through the whole lifespan of the car starting from 1991

and AFAIK it fits 4cyl engines aswell
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Post Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:10 pm

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

NormanVauxhall wrote:May I suggest a thing about the gearbox setting? Put a check box if you want the last gear as overdrive gear. While activated the last gear it's longer than the other to improve highway mileage.

Thing is: that doesn't change anything, really, nothing at all. Right now, if you have 5 gears and you want to make an overdrive gear you just pull up the fourth to the estimated top speed and let the fifth "stick out". Overdrive all day long. It wouldn't be any different with that checkbox.
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Post Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:22 pm

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

I've already made several cars with overdrive. Just do as Killrob said and set the top speed above the car's max, then set the number of gears for overdrive with the slider.
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Post Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:30 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

On a semi related note, the quality slider on the drive train tab, does it affect the drive train as a whole including the engine?

Just wondering if increasing the quality here would compensate for a low quality engine.
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Post Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:34 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

It does not affect the engine, that would be very bad. :) It reduces power losses in the drivetrain and drivetrain weight.
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Post Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:37 am

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Der Bayer wrote:It does not affect the engine, that would be very bad. :) It reduces power losses in the drivetrain and drivetrain weight.


Cool - I agree it would be it would be bad and IMO "cheating"
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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:35 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

I asked why we have more than 7 speeds available in a MANUAL transmission. I know there are 7+ automatics out there. On production cars and trucks, I've never seen or heard of an 7+ speed other than on corvettes.
Personally I'd like to see manhours and MTBF return rather than production units and reliability score of 0-100.
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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:42 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

I believe that the Dodge Colt/Mitsubishi Mirage had a form of an 8-speed. Also, many heavy trucks use them. In the future, this may become more common.
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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:06 am

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

I think a fully customizabe gearbox is a must. You can develop engines and know there exact powerband, you should be able to tune the gearbox to use that band effectively.
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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:04 pm

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

USDMFTW wrote:I think a fully customizabe gearbox is a must. You can develop engines and know there exact powerband, you should be able to tune the gearbox to use that band effectively.

So all the things you can do right now do not count as customization? ;)
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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:11 pm

Re: fiddling with a gearbox's individual gear ratios

USDMFTW wrote:I think a fully customizabe gearbox is a must. You can develop engines and know there exact powerband, you should be able to tune the gearbox to use that band effectively.

That's exactly why I'm hoping for one - not exactly a fully customizable gearbox, but more like changing the individual ratios. I don't know about flywheel weights and why they help or what not, so that would definitely be confusing and possibly harmful to the gameplay to someone with even less knowledge.
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