AVUS Grosser Preis von Berlin (1990) [FINISHED]

[BurningBridges]

Official Results



Below is the result as Excel file, because it is unpossible to display the results on this page without distortion

GP AVUS 1990 official result.zip

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Track Record



Top Speed

[Vri404]

My Northing is a good looking car? Huh. Simplicity is beauty then.

[BurningBridges]

There was a little boy at the race who pointed at Northing and said, "I like that car most".

[BurningBridges]

Since I have already done most of the work for pit stop / fuel calculation rule, I better publish the promised sample calculation now, before this gets forgotten.

HINT: This is not related to the official race result in any way, just a sample calculation!

I still plan to introduce this rule for the next race because I like the implications, and the calculation worked well in Excel.
This rule would benefit N/A cars, heavy cars, and generally all cars with better fuel economy

Below is the Excel file, you can check yourself with different values.

Fuel Consumption Rule Sample 2.zip

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1.) I have included unranked cars to have a better data sample

2.) Race has been increased to 1000 km = 121 laps * 8,3 km for the rules to have more of an impact.

3.) Time for a pit stop has ben set to 1min30s , this is of course discussable and eventually determines the impact that fuel consumption will have on the result.

4.) tank capacity is car weight / 10 , meaning large and heavy cars have a small advantage (provided they dont use disproportionally more fuel)

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The resulting number of pit stop varies a lot, between 0 (the overweight but fuel economic GDDs) and 4 (the grossly overpowered FWD terror) respectively 3 for Air Jordan, Matoyama, CPV-GG and all thirsty turbos while most N/A cars getting away with a single stop over 1000 kilometers, somewhat bettering their chances in the race.

As you can hopefully see, the final positions are not changed much.The only car that actually loses out by this rule is the FWD Terror, because it has the worst fuel economy compared to its car weight: 56L tank vs 26L/100km consumption meaning it needs to refuel every 200km. It's a bit awkward that the only change in position would benefit my own car as it would switch places with FWD terror. This is purely coincidental, because I happen to have the lighter and more fuel efficient car (54L tank / 11L consumption) compared to the Terror (56L / 26L), eventually offsetting a small difference in lap time. All other cars maintain or decrease their gap to the top, and the rule is generally more benefitting the cars in the lower half than at the top.

As you can also see the largest improvement in race time are mostly N/A cars compared to turbos, like asdren's V12 which gains 4:00 minutes compared to the top cars, though it's not yet enough to overtake them.

Questions / comments?

[Vri404]

My cars were just Slow... Meh. I'll try again "next year"

Also, the GDD cars would be from Australia/Japan. I have no Companies set in my home country. (I did have Syron Motorworks, but they dead now )

[BurningBridges]

You were grossly under budget and should have handed in all the papers in time

[Vri404]

You were grossly under budget and should have handed in all the papers in time

Like I said, I'll try again "next year." Also, The "Trans-am" may make a return.

[BurningBridges]

I mean you probably knew that 207 km/h would not really cut it. That's about what my 1988 Golf I Cabrio could achieve on a very good day roof closed of course.

[Vri404]

I mean you probably knew that 207 km/h would not really cut it. That's about what my 1988 Golf I Cabrio could achieve on a very good day roof closed of course.

I knew it would suck. I can't make anything go fast, they're always so stupidly slow. I need to learn how to make a fast car....

[BurningBridges]

I had a look at your cars and tbh couldn't find anything I would NOT consider a mistake (AWD drive, illegal exhaust and intake that cost you a place in the race, hopelessly over weight, underpowered, unreliable, wasted expense and tuning potential and so on). So if you take your designs and do everything different, you should have a guaranteed improvement

But seriously, your next designs will be a huge improvement, I am absolutely sure of that.

[asdren]

After seeing the entry list, i knew turbo was the way to go, but i did not believe that the difference is going to be that huge, considering the added drag and driveabilty penalty. 400Hp from a 1.0 Liter? I guess i learned something new. I didn't really bother trying a turbo because i thought there is no way of making over 340-350 per liter.

BurningBridges, thank you for hosting this cool challenge. I'll be there next year for sure

[Microwave]

Lol, as soon as I heard about the 356 body I just couldn't be bothered to re-design my car for a third time. Shall try harder next season.

[koolkei]

so i still hold the first place for non-porsche bodied?

and i'd like to mention my car was the one that actually conviced you that 1:2 NA to Turbo is appropriate. possibly still a bit too big.... since barely any NA is up on the list

[BurningBridges]

Koolkei, the best non Porsche is Terror FWD (non Mini), but you are good 2nd. I think around 2:00 is possible with several bodies, just not the crazy 1:56s. Even a FFWD Porsche hit a magic wall at ca 1:59.

Btw I think it's going to be 1 : 2.25 in future races. Even with fuel rules something has to change in favor of the natural aspirated engines, otherwise this is stupid.

There is now time to make suggestions. I have some commitments and dont know when the next round takes place. But this race was definitely a success, and I know now how this track works!

[BurningBridges]

After seeing the entry list, i knew turbo was the way to go, but i did not believe that the difference is going to be that huge, considering the added drag and driveabilty penalty. 400Hp from a 1.0 Liter? I guess i learned something new. I didn't really bother trying a turbo because i thought there is no way of making over 340-350 per liter.

BurningBridges, thank you for hosting this cool challenge. I'll be there next year for sure

Yep, I had not expected much more than 330 hp so this was a huge surprise when I saw the first 400 hp. I'd believed my 285 hp NA was going to be a contender, actually we were both pretty close but eventually both chanceless.