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Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Reviews]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:21 am
by Lordred
REVIEWS


The Successor to the 1984 Group A

The year is 1988, the Lancia Delta has proven that AWD has effectively ended the Era of the RWD Rally car, but once again if you wish to enter the production class, you are going to need to meet the minimum sales numbers to enter, time to start designing the new wave of cars.

----------RULES----------

Steam workshop mods allowed: No VMO mods

Body Type Requirements:
    *Body within the last 20 years
    *Any Non-Van/Truck
    *Must seat max available

Engine Requirements:
    *Four and Six Cylinder engines only
    *Max Displacement NA 2798cc
    *Max Displacement Turbo 1998cc
    *Horsepower Limited to 199-229hp
    *Catalytic Converter Equipped
    *Noise of 38 or less
    *No Race Intake/Exhaust
    *Fuel: Regular or Premium Unleaded
    *Minimum Engine Reliability 35

Weight Requirement:
    -Minimum Weight 1170kg

Tire Requirements:
    *Maximum Tire width of 205 /w 0-Quality slider
    *Medium Compound Only

Aero Options:
    *Minimum Cooling equal to required cooling.
    *You are free to equip up to 1 lip per side
    *OR you may equip 1 wing in the rear of the vehicle with 1 lip in front

Accepted Combinations.
No lip front / no lip rear.
1 lip front / none rear.
None front / 1 lip rear.
1 lip front / 1 lip rear.
No lip front / 1 wing anywhere on the back half of the car.
1 lip front / 1 wing anywhere on the back half of the car.


Minimum Requirements:
    *Greater then US 18 MPG (13.07L/100km)
    *Minimum Vehicle Reliability 50.
    *Minimum of 40 Safety

Budget:
    *Total Cost: 12,000-14,000

NAMING CONVENTION:
Under the first block: HOM88-(yourname)
Under the second block: Vehicle name
Under the third block: HOM88-(yourname)
Under the fourth block: Engine name

Example:
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Stat Weighting.
High: Off Road, Sportiness, Drivability
Average: Reliability, Safety, Prestige, Comfort
Below Average: Practicality, Utility, -Affordability


Definition of Affordability: √(Total Cost x 1.67 + Yearly Maintenance Cost) Will be deducted from the final score.


Prior to submitting, do your due diligance, test your own car before you hit send, this will help eliminate LUA errors and easily missed mistakes.

Submission Deadline: November 30th 2015

When submitting the car, please provide at minimum:
*Manufacturer
*Model
*Brief description of the vehicle or anything which makes it special.
Entries: 0/??
01: DoctroNarfy - Shromet Radiant
02: Vri404 - RallyeWagon
03: Strop - Matteo Miglia Legatus
04: 07CobaltGirl - SME Bombay Sport
05: koolkei - Kasai-Buredo
06: Rossriders - Varro Group A 4R
07: KLindaro - Boss Motorsports R9300
08: torts - Coco Automobili Spaceracer Turbo
09: EnryGT5 - Seishido Motors Rigel 4RE Limited
10: lztd15 - Luxus SPR-219
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BENCHMARK CAR STATS: This is only the Benchmark car, but it gives people an idea of what can be/cant be done with a glance.
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Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:25 am
by RoyalStig
Everything seems OK except the power restriction, it seems too restrictive personally. Perhaps 185 - 225 instead?

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:36 am
by DoctorNarfy
It does seem just a tad bit unessacary to limit Horsepower on the production models. On the race models, sure. I also think comfort should at least be lifted up to regular value, because it's somewhat important on a regular car.

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:20 am
by Lordred
Bumping comfort to avg sounds good. Now the reason I restricted power was to keep the cars inline with their real world counterparts. Now I would consider an expansion on the power range, but I would still like it to be restricted below 230hp as the high range.

Does this sound acceptable?

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:55 pm
by Zabhawkin
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I am guessing this would be a no...


I saw the mini truck body and couldn't help myself

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:14 pm
by RoyalStig
Lordred wrote:Bumping comfort to avg sounds good. Now the reason I restricted power was to keep the cars inline with their real world counterparts. Now I would consider an expansion on the power range, but I would still like it to be restricted below 230hp as the high range.

Does this sound acceptable?


Sounds good to me!

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:09 pm
by koolkei
Lordred wrote:Bumping comfort to avg sounds good. Now the reason I restricted power was to keep the cars inline with their real world counterparts. Now I would consider an expansion on the power range, but I would still like it to be restricted below 230hp as the high range.

Does this sound acceptable?



why not use the law that US used.
instead of limiting the overall power, just limit the power per liter allowed?

althought it will be more work for you to calculate all the cars power

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:44 pm
by DoctorNarfy
koolkei wrote:
Lordred wrote:Bumping comfort to avg sounds good. Now the reason I restricted power was to keep the cars inline with their real world counterparts. Now I would consider an expansion on the power range, but I would still like it to be restricted below 230hp as the high range.

Does this sound acceptable?



why not use the law that US used.
instead of limiting the overall power, just limit the power per liter allowed?

althought it will be more work for you to calculate all the cars power


That would basically only allow for bigger engines. We have 7 liter big blocks in America for a reason.

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:25 pm
by koolkei
DoctorNarfy wrote:
That would basically only allow for bigger engines. We have 7 liter big blocks in America for a reason.



i mean both. limit the size to 2l but limit the max output to something per litre. well.... it's essentially making an HP limit, but it's also limiting the power of the smaller engine if anyone were to choose smaller and lighter engines

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:55 pm
by Lordred
koolkei wrote:i mean both. limit the size to 2l but limit the max output to something per litre. well.... it's essentially making an HP limit, but it's also limiting the power of the smaller engine if anyone were to choose smaller and lighter engines


Perhaps, but I have a split tier for the engines, allowing up to 1998cc, and 2798cc, the reason I chose a Maximum HP of 204 is it will keep these cars inline with their real world counterparts of the late 80s which were built for the real Group A, the road going versions featured ~ 190-220hp and all had similar weights.

The best part, in my opinion, is that by limiting the upper HP to 204, and combined with the minimum weight and robust budget, will allow for diverse engine builds, for both a 2.0L I4 OHV 2v Turbo, and 2.8L V6 DOHC 4v will produce 204hp for similar costs in 1988.

At least that was my thinking when I did this.

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:38 am
by Felgen
Is this competition still open?

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:15 am
by Lordred
Will begin soon, the revised rules will go up tonight if I finish the reviews for the BiC tonight after work.

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:30 am
by Felgen
Would it be possible to allow two door four seat coupes? After all, the Toyota Celica competed in Group A.

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:28 pm
by Lordred
Rules slightly revised, please post any questions or comments on the rules. Planed start date is 10/30/15

Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:44 pm
by NormanVauxhall
Seems interesting... I will submit a car. The question is... which brand? Probably Znopresk, it is more rally oriented than the BMMA.