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Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:40 pmby BurningBridges
I am not against quality restrictions per se but there must be a reason written next to each. If you put a restriction and cannot give a very good reason, there is a problem.
Either there is something from a certain rulebook or "I don't want to have *XY* happen", like "I don't want people to max out the *XY* sliders".
I also think that a cost limit per car is much better in reducing the overuse of quality sliders.
Another option would be a test race with drastically reduced ruleset and just a few cars, only with rules that really follow from the rulebook (2.5L / max 6 cyl / 4valve / frontengine / minimum weight / aero below the wheel centreline )
And only then, when people are starting to mentally get into your competition, discuss a whole series and necessary further restriction.
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:57 pmby HighOctaneLove
Here's the Bogliq submission for this race series...
Road Car: Bogliq Bastion DTM
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Racecar: Bogliq Bastion Racecar!
- DTM Race.png (334.13 KiB) Viewed 11590 times
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:28 pmby vmo
BurningBridges wrote:I am not against quality restrictions per se but there must be a reason written next to each. If you put a restriction and cannot give a very good reason, there is a problem.
Either there is something from a certain rulebook or "I don't want to have *XY* happen", like "I don't want people to max out the *XY* sliders".
I also think that a cost limit per car is much better in reducing the overuse of quality sliders.
Another option would be a test race with drastically reduced ruleset and just a few cars, only with rules that really follow from the rulebook (2.5L / max 6 cyl / 4valve / frontengine / minimum weight / aero below the wheel centreline )
And only then, when people are starting to mentally get into your competition, discuss a whole series and necessary further restriction.
Thanks for the advice! I will apply in my next competitions.
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:52 pmby BurningBridges
Do I get this right, there is a cost restriction on production car but none whatsoever on race car?
Also what happens when you reject a car? There are so many rules I think it is highly unlikely we get it right the first time.
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:57 pmby vmo
BurningBridges wrote:Do I get this right, there is a cost restriction on production car but none whatsoever on race car?
Also what happens when you reject a car? There are so many rules I think it is highly unlikely we get it right the first time.
the absence of a budget limit made to refer to one of the causes that led to the cessation of the competition in 1996: rising costs.
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:54 amby BurningBridges
Yes or no?
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:00 amby vmo
BurningBridges wrote:Yes or no?
If you are talking about costs, in the racecar any costs. In the streetcar yes (but you can make an underpowered cheap street car, but modify the racecar trim and make a beast).
About the rejects, I will contact with every user with a car rejected, and explain what parts of the car doesn't accomplish the rules. But if is a year setting for example, I will ask if you want it to change me or prefer to change it.
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:02 amby BurningBridges
OK. Just wanted to make sure I dont have to reduce the budget after the car is finished.
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:49 amby BurningBridges
You know what I dont like is the amount of extra weight I'd need to add. I end up 100s of kg underweight.
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:51 amby squidhead
BurningBridges wrote:You know what I dont like is the amount of extra weight I'd need to add. I end up 100s of kg underweight.
In AMWEC AGTE Class i had to equip my car with all possible extras to gain 300kilos
So yeah, you aren't alone in this
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:57 amby BurningBridges
Well, it was a hatchback anyway.
I just saw that vmo limits the bodies to only Sedan and Coupe ..
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:11 amby BurningBridges
Ok, I think I got something that could work and will submit a car within a week or so.
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:38 amby Denta
too shame if only the deadline more longer probably i have time to develop my car. sadly this is not BTC series so i cant use wagon
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:12 amby BurningBridges
What happens between the races? Can we send two different setups, at least different aero for the really fast tracks like Avus?
Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:46 amby AirJordan
Will production cars be scored in any way?
How will the race calculations work? Automation laps times x number of laps?
Will MGP and/or driveability matter?
