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Post Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:40 pm

Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES

I am not against quality restrictions per se but there must be a reason written next to each. If you put a restriction and cannot give a very good reason, there is a problem.
Either there is something from a certain rulebook or "I don't want to have *XY* happen", like "I don't want people to max out the *XY* sliders".
I also think that a cost limit per car is much better in reducing the overuse of quality sliders.

Another option would be a test race with drastically reduced ruleset and just a few cars, only with rules that really follow from the rulebook (2.5L / max 6 cyl / 4valve / frontengine / minimum weight / aero below the wheel centreline )
And only then, when people are starting to mentally get into your competition, discuss a whole series and necessary further restriction.
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Post Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:57 pm

Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES

Here's the Bogliq submission for this race series...

Road Car: Bogliq Bastion DTM
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Racecar: Bogliq Bastion Racecar!
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Post Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:28 pm

Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES

BurningBridges wrote:I am not against quality restrictions per se but there must be a reason written next to each. If you put a restriction and cannot give a very good reason, there is a problem.
Either there is something from a certain rulebook or "I don't want to have *XY* happen", like "I don't want people to max out the *XY* sliders".
I also think that a cost limit per car is much better in reducing the overuse of quality sliders.

Another option would be a test race with drastically reduced ruleset and just a few cars, only with rules that really follow from the rulebook (2.5L / max 6 cyl / 4valve / frontengine / minimum weight / aero below the wheel centreline )
And only then, when people are starting to mentally get into your competition, discuss a whole series and necessary further restriction.


Thanks for the advice! I will apply in my next competitions.
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Post Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:52 pm

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Do I get this right, there is a cost restriction on production car but none whatsoever on race car?

Also what happens when you reject a car? There are so many rules I think it is highly unlikely we get it right the first time.
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BurningBridges wrote:Do I get this right, there is a cost restriction on production car but none whatsoever on race car?

Also what happens when you reject a car? There are so many rules I think it is highly unlikely we get it right the first time.


the absence of a budget limit made to refer to one of the causes that led to the cessation of the competition in 1996: rising costs.
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:54 am

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Yes or no?
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:00 am

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BurningBridges wrote:Yes or no?


If you are talking about costs, in the racecar any costs. In the streetcar yes (but you can make an underpowered cheap street car, but modify the racecar trim and make a beast).

About the rejects, I will contact with every user with a car rejected, and explain what parts of the car doesn't accomplish the rules. But if is a year setting for example, I will ask if you want it to change me or prefer to change it.
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:02 am

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OK. Just wanted to make sure I dont have to reduce the budget after the car is finished.
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:49 am

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You know what I dont like is the amount of extra weight I'd need to add. I end up 100s of kg underweight.
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:51 am

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BurningBridges wrote:You know what I dont like is the amount of extra weight I'd need to add. I end up 100s of kg underweight.


In AMWEC AGTE Class i had to equip my car with all possible extras to gain 300kilos :D So yeah, you aren't alone in this
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:57 am

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Well, it was a hatchback anyway.
I just saw that vmo limits the bodies to only Sedan and Coupe ..
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:11 am

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Ok, I think I got something that could work and will submit a car within a week or so.
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:38 am

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too shame if only the deadline more longer probably i have time to develop my car. sadly this is not BTC series so i cant use wagon
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:12 am

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What happens between the races? Can we send two different setups, at least different aero for the really fast tracks like Avus?
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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:46 am

Re: 1993 DTM [SUBMISSIONS OPENED] NEW RULES

Will production cars be scored in any way?
How will the race calculations work? Automation laps times x number of laps?
Will MGP and/or driveability matter?
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