AVUS Grosser Preis von Berlin 1991 [FINISHED, RESULT INSIDE]

[squidhead]

Sufficient is the thing to go I think. Most record attempts have cars running hot because most of the intakes are taped over. Also some sort of classes should be devised, not running into unlimited straight on for this.

[BurningBridges]

Yeah, sufficent is the absolute minimum because I need fuel consumption.

[BurningBridges]

To complete this I made an Excel file to calculate the results

Record Calculation

Attached is an Excel file that you can use to calculate the results (average speeds for standing 1 mile, standing 5km, flying 5km and standing 10km)

Dessau - Land Speed Record.zip

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[squidhead]

This deserves another topic and another challenge

[BurningBridges]

Can you run it? I dont think I want to do another challenge soon.

[squidhead]

I can if I can figure out the excel part of it But the file you uploaded seems to be empty for me.

[BurningBridges]

LOL

[BurningBridges]

It was empty, try again now ..

Best way to enter new values is copy the line with the car I put in and then change the values for the split times. Dont edit directly in the fields because then the formulas are missing.

[squidhead]

Ok, I think I can work with this. I will make a challenge tomorrow. Now is time to sleep

[BurningBridges]

Cool, and let me know if you need something with the Excel.

[HighOctaneLove]

I think that 50 would be too much for pre2000. It would add a lot of weight and cost if we are talking any cost restrictions. I would suggest 30 max 40.

For the unlimited class it would not matter. And if you can provide me precise numbers as to what safety "costs" extra the cost limit can be increased by that number.

But mainly that's why I resist magic numbers. If you choose one the next guy will ask why you did not choose another. On monday you will think 40 is good, then on friday you wonder why you did not use 30. Also, once people will have to increase their safety from 44.7 to 50.0, they will think this is stupid.

A simpler solution would be to require the most advanced safety in the car, leave quality at 0 or higher and nothing more. How about that?

I think your 50 Engine reliability, 50 Average reliability and Advanced safety (0 slider) are an elegant solution to rule making. When you think about implementing classes I'd suggest a power to weight ratio basis so that player choice is maximised. Otherwise I'd suggest roleplay themed classes like production, production-improved and unlimited so that people with car companies can use your competition to further their own roleplay experiences.

[BurningBridges]

"power to weight ratio basis"

Could you explain a bit more?

[BurningBridges]

As to "roleplay themed classes" you sure know what is needed so that people could fit in their cars? Because frankly I dont follow the game enough to know what people would need. It seems a bit difficult right now with various engine sizes.

As it is now I see Avus as a good way to learn to maximize performance and minimize cost. I later put back some of my best engines to 0 quality or less and got fantastic race engines/cars for practically no cost. Heavy undersquare "race type" engines of course, but they have a huge price/performance potential. Weight seems less of an issue than I believed.

My absolute favorite Is currently a 500hp turbo 1.5L that does over 330 km/h, with cooling, for 8000$ (car tiny run). It has basically sucked out all cost out of the engine, which runs at 0 quality throughout, except turbo.

[HighOctaneLove]

"power to weight ratio basis"

Could you explain a bit more?

What I mean is having a number of classes separated by differences in power to weight ratios. For example having a class set at 10Kg per Kw and another set at 5Kg per Kw and keep the open class for the glory hounds
You can maximise this effect by adding a cylinder count restriction to make things more interesting such as the 10:1 ratio being limited to 4's and 6's and the 5:1 ratio being limited to 6's, 8's and 12's...

As to "roleplay themed classes" you sure know what is needed so that people could fit in their cars? Because frankly I dont follow the game enough to know what people would need. It seems a bit difficult right now with various engine sizes.

I was just spit-balling here, there are many ways to justify class restrictions and allowing for an optional roleplay element may have attracted more entrants than just a generic calculation competition. It's totally up to you how detailed you want to go but I just thought you'd appreciate some left-field ideas as well as the usual suspects,

As it is now I see Avus as a good way to learn to maximize performance and minimize cost. I later put back some of my best engines to 0 quality or less and got fantastic race engines/cars for practically no cost. Heavy undersquare "race type" engines of course, but they have a huge price/performance potential. Weight seems less of an issue than I believed. My absolute favorite Is currently a 500hp turbo 1.5L that does over 330 km/h, with cooling, for 8000$ (car tiny run). It has basically sucked out all cost out of the engine, which runs at 0 quality throughout, except turbo.

I agree. This competition was really challenging to build a viable competitor (and my car is still most likely a loser, ) and thanks again for hosting it.

[BurningBridges]

Thanks a lot, although I think my first reaction to the first suggestion is negative. Outright limiting power to weight is not in the spirit of this race, especially as cars are already approaching 1hp/kg. I dont like limiting cylinders, compression or any of that either. The only thing that I would like to change is that for example a V12 will jump up in price disproportionately which is a problem within the cost limit.
But I'll sure think about it! And perhaps there are other ways to enforce 2 different power to weight classes than by explicit thresholds.