1600 TROPHY '92 - Sponsored by Znopresk [FINISHED]

[Jakgoe]

And I counter-argue that, since we're all human, a single re-submission (or even altering my original submission) wouldn't cause much "pain" or any pain in my case. As for the work bit, I didn't ask for the OP to run the comp, he CHOSE to run it, and when I stated his rules are too inflexible everyone wants to side with the OP rather than see that the OP is being unreasonable. I don't have the time/interest in hosting a competition so I don't start one; don't cry "pain" when you brought the responsibility on yourself. I paid the OP enough respect to take his competition seriously and I made an error which is being treated like I had the Antichrist driving my car whereas, in actuality, two clicks of the slider and my error is solved. Norman then chose to slather it over the forum rather than PM me. When I exercised my right to state my case for clemency I was attacked for "peeing in the pool". Standing up to unfairness isn't wrong. Saying that the OP's time is somehow more valuable than mine is wrong. Publicly shaming me without right-of-rectification is wrong.

The moderators need to make a standardised set of guidelines ruling these competitions because too many people feel that inequality is actually legitimate; Viva le revolution!!!

His tournament, his priorities, his rules. Stop whining.

[HighOctaneLove]

Hey! He is running this by his own accord, and is in no way obligated to cater to the problems facing you. He already has enough on his plate, and can be as self-centered as he wants during the competition. If you don't want to play, don't. Your "feelings of hurt" are of no concern to him, me, or anyone else, especially in such a trivial matter.

TL;DR: Shut up, you made a mistake, he made it clear what the consequences would be.

I do not agree; the OP was not clear about his intentions and he shouldn't have made a big deal about the DQ's if he wasn't going to give anyone a chance to fix up their error. All I wanted was a chance to have my car allowed with the slider reset to +0, not even 2 seconds work, yet rather than see the logic in this, everyone wants to perpetuate a totalitarion state of affairs which values the competition holder as somehow more important than those who choose to participate.

Trying to trivialise the argument as that the rules were clear and concise and it's all my fault that he won't allow my re-submission is reckless and wrong. Black on grey can be missed, especially when the writing for the slider was smaller than the main number and the addition of the word quality after the 0 would have made a big change. The race hasn't started yet! My car is fixed and re-submitted (and at the time there was no mention of DQ'ing my car) and I suggested a reasonable alternative (move the slider to +0) but that's clearly too hard for anyone to grasp. The constant "shut up", "stop peeing in our pool" and "unsporting" directed at my posts is just childish as I have the right to have my grievances heard and saying that "the OP has all the power" just doesn't cut it in this day and age. You start letting that mindset creep in and this forum will be filled with drones, grovelling at the feet of those all powerful competition makers who deign to throw them a scrap from their somehow inherently superior worldviews...

Bring on some forum rules governing competition language so that there will *finally* be some peace for those of us labouring under the heavy burden of dictatorial competition writers!

[HighOctaneLove]

And I counter-argue that, since we're all human, a single re-submission (or even altering my original submission) wouldn't cause much "pain" or any pain in my case. As for the work bit, I didn't ask for the OP to run the comp, he CHOSE to run it, and when I stated his rules are too inflexible everyone wants to side with the OP rather than see that the OP is being unreasonable. I don't have the time/interest in hosting a competition so I don't start one; don't cry "pain" when you brought the responsibility on yourself. I paid the OP enough respect to take his competition seriously and I made an error which is being treated like I had the Antichrist driving my car whereas, in actuality, two clicks of the slider and my error is solved. Norman then chose to slather it over the forum rather than PM me. When I exercised my right to state my case for clemency I was attacked for "peeing in the pool". Standing up to unfairness isn't wrong. Saying that the OP's time is somehow more valuable than mine is wrong. Publicly shaming me without right-of-rectification is wrong.

The moderators need to make a standardised set of guidelines ruling these competitions because too many people feel that inequality is actually legitimate; Viva le revolution!!!

His tournament, his priorities, his rules. Stop whining.

And you need to stop blindly swallowing the swill that you've been fed. What's the problem with wanting a chance to rectify an error, especially when my corrected entry was in well before the cut-off for the competition? Why wasn't the whole affair done via PM rather than out in the open? Why did the OP not state on the first post relating to my entry that it was being DQ'd and to not bother sending in a fixed file?

Your reply clearly shows why we need standardised rules; No-one can misunderstand when there are clear, concise standards for the meaning of terms, how to structure the competition OP and so forth... The status quo just isn't good enough.


EDIT: Sorry everyone, I allowed myself to get butthurt over something that in hindsight wasn't important at all... I inreservedly apologise to all who I have irritated with my posts and I'll be PM'ing Norman shortly. Do as you will Norman, run my car or don't, I accept the DQ and best of luck to all who qualified for the race

[VicVictory]

The moderators need to make a standardised set of guidelines ruling these competitions because too many people feel that inequality is actually legitimate; Viva le revolution!!!

Aaaaand you've single-handedly come up with the solution to eliminate all community sponsored challenges from the board.

OP didn't smear you in any sense of the word. And he most certainly did not accuse you of cheating (scroll back... did he ever use that word?)

You said it yourself you don't have the time to run a competition yourself, yet you're more than willing to tell other people how they should spend their time. If that's not valuing YOUR time over HIS, I don't know what is.

I DSQ'ed a competitor in ITA for an even smaller infraction than what you've committed (0.1mm on the stroke slider), and the participant was very gracious about it when he learned of the issue. He didn't become a one-man wrecking crew in my competition's thread. Does it suck that you were DSQ'ed? Yes. No one here is arguing that. But did you submit a car that was not compliant to the rules, which said resubmissions were not allowed? Yes.

THAT is why "no one is on your side" on this one. It's not because no one sympathizes (well, they probably don't anymore because of the colossal stink you've put up over this, but that's your problem now), it's that things were clearly laid out, and you're whining about what was ultimately caused by your sloppy work and lack of self-auditing. I re-check EVERYTHING on ALL of my submissions a minimum of 3 times before actually sending the PM.

The constant "shut up", "stop peeing in our pool" and "unsporting" directed at my posts is just childish as I have the right to have my grievances heard and saying that "the OP has all the power" just doesn't cut it in this day and age. You start letting that mindset creep in and this forum will be filled with drones, grovelling at the feet of those all powerful competition makers who deign to throw them a scrap from their somehow inherently superior worldviews...

Bring on some forum rules governing competition language so that there will *finally* be some peace for those of us labouring under the heavy burden of dictatorial competition writers!

And your continued badgering isn't childish? Or resorting to calling people dictatorial isn't childish?

[Jakgoe]

Jeesh, I'd give you some leeway if this was something important. If you are being sarcastic, I can't tell. If you are being serious, calm down. He can arbitrarily change this as he wants! I cannot stress this enough, it is HIS competition. The competition is being provided to you, at your own risk. If you disagree, just walk away, because this is not something that you have say in. He runs the competition, he does what he wants. If you want to make your own competition, no one is stopping you.

Secondly, "once sent, an entry cannot be revised". That is pretty damn clear to me.

Learn to respect people. Here's a life lesson, you don't win friends and influence other by saying that they "blindly swallow the swill that they are fed". If you are going to make a compelling case, you don't do that by accusing people of things, real or imaginary, or by attacking not only their viewpoint, but them as well.

Last off, these competitions are run for fun, not part of an organised thing. They are just meant to hold us over until multiplayer supports tournaments like these. There is no need for a virtual FIA, or a governing body.

Perhaps if you let it go, and ask nicely, Andrea will give you another chance. But it is not up to me, and if I was him, I'd find this kind of behavior inexcusable.

[HighOctaneLove]

The moderators need to make a standardised set of guidelines ruling these competitions because too many people feel that inequality is actually legitimate; Viva le revolution!!!

Aaaaand you've single-handedly come up with the solution to eliminate all community sponsored challenges from the board.

OP didn't smear you in any sense of the word. And he most certainly did not accuse you of cheating (scroll back... did he ever use that word?)

You said it yourself you don't have the time to run a competition yourself, yet you're more than willing to tell other people how they should spend their time. If that's not valuing YOUR time over HIS, I don't know what is.

I DSQ'ed a competitor in ITA for an even smaller infraction than what you've committed (0.1mm on the stroke slider), and the participant was very gracious about it when he learned of the issue. He didn't become a one-man wrecking crew in my competition's thread. Does it suck that you were DSQ'ed? Yes. No one here is arguing that. But did you submit a car that was not compliant to the rules, which said resubmissions were not allowed? Yes.

THAT is why "no one is on your side" on this one. It's not because no one sympathizes (well, they probably don't anymore because of the colossal stink you've put up over this, but that's your problem now), it's that things were clearly laid out, and you're whining about what was ultimately caused by your sloppy work and lack of self-auditing. I re-check EVERYTHING on ALL of my submissions a minimum of 3 times before actually sending the PM.

The constant "shut up", "stop peeing in our pool" and "unsporting" directed at my posts is just childish as I have the right to have my grievances heard and saying that "the OP has all the power" just doesn't cut it in this day and age. You start letting that mindset creep in and this forum will be filled with drones, grovelling at the feet of those all powerful competition makers who deign to throw them a scrap from their somehow inherently superior worldviews...

Bring on some forum rules governing competition language so that there will *finally* be some peace for those of us labouring under the heavy burden of dictatorial competition writers!

And your continued badgering isn't childish? Or resorting to calling people dictatorial isn't childish?

Yes, yes and yes... I editted my prior post with an apology so I'll re-iterate it here.

I humbly and wholeheartedly apologise for all my posts in this thread and I, for the little good it brings those I've insulted, formally withdraw and ask forgiveness for the irritation and potential trouble I've caused. I lost my sense of perspective and humour and, as a result, have caused harm and have ruined the friendly banter of this thread. I still feel upset about my DQ but I went about the process like a douchebag and in the process of expressing my hurt I have hurt others...

Sorry, I won't do this again and, if possible, I'd like the mods to delete my offensive posts so no-one else has to put up with my actions

[strop]

Oh highoctanelove, you do get fired up don't you

On with the contest!

[HighOctaneLove]

Oh highoctanelove, you do get fired up don't you

On with the contest!

I'm not proud of it, that's for sure, I lose sight of what my original point was and sometimes end up arguing the other side's point...

[GenJeFT]

Getting us back on topic...

The Wooden Cog Car Company is proud to announce its entry into the race with the NightShade.

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[maffc]

MAFFC - MGCC Button 1600 TRZ (min. engine reliability not reached, probably the aero slider was set for the body reliability and the engine suffered.)

Hmm, not sure what happening there, when I open the car on my machine it does show apx 35 engine reliability, but retest the engine, with no changes it leaps to the 65 I thought I had submitted.
If I Save it again then reopen it's back down to 35 ??!

oh well.

[strop]

Check your ventilation? Testing the cars one after another often causes problems as the ventilation of the previous car carries over. I've also experienced bugged out saves in this fashion, and have to navigate to the aero tab first before doing any testing or the figures are off.

[maffc]

yep, it's there - Bugger!

[Cheeseman]

This is a known bug with the game where, instead of loading the car's aero settings, it uses the previously opened car's aero settings. I recommend you re-check that NormanVauxhall. Just click up and then down again on the ventilation slider and everything should set back to how it should.

[maffc]

Nah, he's no need to, it my settings which aren't right, but are hidden on 1st load

[HellBoyBG]

Can we use QUALITY POINTS on engine and car (w/o tyres width)