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Post Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:06 pm

Re: AMWEC '15 [2nd Race results]

BackFire Motors Press Release (Race 1 & 2):

The first two races of the AMWEC series 2015 season have not been kind to the BFM team. We are still looking into the data from the races for places to improve, however we predict this will continue to be a trend throughout the season. Because of the current setup for the Model X15 we are hopeful that it will perform more successfully on the more technical circuits. Early development on the next iteration of the X15 will be beginning shortly, and we will be working closely with HP Craftworks to share our data and findings to ensure we have a more successful car next season.
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Post Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:46 pm

Re: AMWEC '15 [2nd Race results]

I'd like to think of the strategy to this in three stages:

First, Gryphon Gear would like to emphasise that the combination of the Znopresk chassis, which uses Znopresk's unique lightweight construction techniques, and the BMMA sourced engine, which is extremely reliable and smooth, is actually a very versatile combination and well suited to the rigours of endurance racing, being pliant and easy to set up.

Second, careful attention to balancing the suspension tuning with the wheels and the brake balance is key to a strong performer which can drive consistently fast even between multiple drivers with different styles. This means a car with lots of grip that one can confidently push, but does not snap oversteer, which in MR cars would be a disaster. It must also not bottom out, nor have any brake fade, and the brake force must be balanced with tyre grip. Crucial here is the balance of the downforce and drag, as this affects top speed, the speed at which one takes corners, and fuel economy. It's no good to have downforce that allows you to take a corner faster than your car has power for, after all, so I went for a setup that put the grip where it mattered the most but also balanced it out with the most aero-efficient setting (about 50 for fixed wings).

The third stage is balancing the strategy- during closed testing, the soft tyres were found to be not cost effective in terms of both added pit stop times for heavier cars, of which the AGTE class is the heaviest, but the hard tyres were found to affect lap times too much. Interestingly, had I used hard tyres, I may have chosen to refuel when pitting. But racing is racing, and the best strategy can come undone in the event of the unexpected, in terms of race incidents, crashes and breakdowns. We've been fortunate thus far to have absolutely no incidents in either race, which is quite a remarkable effort on the drivers part, on top of the platform we've built in a car which has great pace by virtue of being the best balanced tuning possible for an optimum power and weight.
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Post Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:08 pm

Re: AMWEC '15 [2nd Race results]

i was suspecting if the Garuda and Prima 1 have drivability issue however what make me surprise is altough my Prima have the lowest drivability compared to other my cars it still considered doing very well altough Prima have so much noticeable crash, Prima 1 clearly need some tuning considering altough it has 40 drivability while Garuda is pretty much confrimed struggling with power/weight ratio because i forget to add more power after i fixing my weight issue.

my only hope now is my AP2 Prima
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Post Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:33 am

Re: AMWEC '15 [2nd Race results]

lol i got no hope as of today.

at least i got points. as the only one with FR car in AP2 i'm actually not dissapointed. because i didn'e have time to fine tune it further so i submitted it 'as is, better than nothing'
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Post Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:24 am

Re: AMWEC '15 [2nd Race results]

koolkei wrote:lol i got no hope as of today.


Same for me, in first race 30th, and in second 31th ;p
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Post Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:08 am

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Everyone is complaining about how low they're finishing. Then there are my entries. God damn it I suck. I'll try better in the next contest for sure. Last in all catergories.
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Post Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:13 pm

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Vri404 wrote:Everyone is complaining about how low they're finishing. Then there are my entries. God damn it I suck. I'll try better in the next contest for sure. Last in all catergories.


If your entry was anything like mine it was kind of last minute and thrown together pretty quickly, and suffered because of it. I spent about 7 hours today, if not more, building a new car, and I'm still not done with it. I'll probably get a couple more hours in tomorrow before I leave for work. I'm not saying this car is super competitive, but it's mile better than my current entry. It also helps that I have a better idea of what I should be aiming for for stats, and I'm actually doing math on just about every aspect of the car, and countless testing. I've made so many engines for it until I got one I liked it's not funny. (It would be sooooo nice if we could see engine bay size rather than capacity when looking at car bodies, would make building a car around an engine so much nicer, rather than building an engine around a car. But I digress.) In any case, I should be well prepared for next season.

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Post Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:45 am

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Vri404 wrote:Everyone is complaining about how low they're finishing. Then there are my entries. God damn it I suck. I'll try better in the next contest for sure. Last in all catergories.


Nope, I suck D:
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Post Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:18 am

Re: AMWEC '15 [2nd Race results]

Prepare yourselves, AMWEC is coming!

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Post Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:49 am

Re: AMWEC '15 [Next race december 20th]

Sillyworld, if you want you want an event sponsor for the upcoming US race, HP Oil Solutions would be happy to support the event. One of America's oldest oil companies, HP Oil Solutions is the American answer to high power lasting economy that you can count on day after day. Using nothing but the finest American minds and technology we make sure that you get that extra mile every time.

HP Oil Solutions, Just like mama's spaghetti, nothing beats home grown.

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Post Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:49 pm

Re: AMWEC '15 [2nd Race results]

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Vri404 wrote:Everyone is complaining about how low they're finishing. Then there are my entries. God damn it I suck. I'll try better in the next contest for sure. Last in all catergories.


If your entry was anything like mine it was kind of last minute and thrown together pretty quickly, and suffered because of it. I spent about 7 hours today, if not more, building a new car, and I'm still not done with it. I'll probably get a couple more hours in tomorrow before I leave for work. I'm not saying this car is super competitive, but it's mile better than my current entry. It also helps that I have a better idea of what I should be aiming for for stats, and I'm actually doing math on just about every aspect of the car, and countless testing. I've made so many engines for it until I got one I liked it's not funny.
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I did my first car (the M128 LM) in like 20 minutes, and then spend like 2 or 3 mornings doing some fine tunning. On the other hand, I build the Vulcan GT in like 15 minutes and almost not fine tuning, and it ended pretty good, and my AP2 car... well, a lot of testing wth the engine and a lot of tunning and nothing really helped. It's kinda of funny how cars sometimes work from the bginning, and other times you can struggle for days and it just doesnt work.

Oskiinus wrote:My car is probably the most civilized one outta here and with second seat plus headlights at normal height it could be street-legal ;_;

Everyone made really fast cars, and almost all are in the same ballpark regarding speed and aceleration. And then there are the beast Strop and Squidhead built :lol:

Racer13 wrote:Sillyworld, if you want you want an event sponsor for the upcoming US race, HP Oil Solutions would be happy to support the event. One of America's oldest oil companies, HP Oil Solutions is the American answer to high power lasting economy that you can count on day after day. Using nothing but the finest American minds and technology we make sure that you get that extra mile every time.

HP Oil Solutions, Just like mama's spaghetti, nothing beats home grown.

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Post Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:26 pm

Re: AMWEC '15 [Next race december 20th]

If they are the same in terms of performance (with exception of Gryphon Gear Zeus and KHT models), what about turning capabilities? Because I'm pretty sure that my car turns pretty well, but this low place was a thing of few Second differences that after 150-250 laps Or more make huge difference At the finish.
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Post Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:22 am

Re: AMWEC '15 [Next race december 20th]

I have a quick question...

When you record the lap times for the races, do you record a lap time doing a standing start or do you create the tracks with flying laps? I have been trying to create a car and I need to see If my track times are competitive.
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Post Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:28 pm

Re: AMWEC '15 [Next race december 20th]

On the spreadsheets, you can see there are two different 'base times'. One's the standing lap which is used as the base to calculate the start of the race and the lap post-pitting (plus time spent in pit lane etc.). The other is the flying lap time which was derived from sillyworld doubling up the track and using a second lap as the time. I do believe all the tracks were available for download so you could check yourself.

...though you may not be able to do it now unless you are using the standalone version and haven't updated to the new versions, since this is the last tournament to use the old calculations.
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Post Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:21 am

Re: AMWEC '15 [Next race december 20th]

Hey guys! I'll be out almost all day today and tomorrow, so the results will be delayed a little bit. I'll post the AGTE poster today probably at midnight, the results maybe tomorrow morning and the score by class and all of that probably until early monday.
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