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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:46 am

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Madrias wrote:I managed to shoehorn a 3 liter V6 into the budget, in a 4 door car. Still, to use Strop's analogy, if Tom's brought a v8 to the party, and Strop has the turbo 4-cyl, and they're the bazooka and the potato gun respectively, I've shown up with a slingshot.


oh gawd.... and i showed up just to run away. :oops: :oops:

a 2 liter 100+hp FWD hatcback here


i tried to make a quick test of a cheap big engine v8.....

made a 447HP out of a 6.3l V8..... getting wheelspin up to 87.5%....

but. everything on minus and still sells for $12400. lower drivability, lower prestige, lower durability, lower cargo volume , nearly double the running cost.


nope not worth it....

so i submitted mine......

until i realized.... no one said i have to use 91 octane fuel...... just unleaded.... god derp. resubmitting
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:23 am

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TheTom wrote:I'm convinced Strop is still making more power than me, though :D If you're gonna go for a V8, you can't put expensive parts into it, otherwise there's no way you're gonna meet the 12.000$ price limit.


There's no way a 4.5L v8 is making less than 200hp. Wait, I forgot, this is the 90s, so I guess there is a way :lol: still. I feel compelled to up it a bit. My car only wheelspins at like 38%. It is kind of using pretty fat rear tyres though... And does 0-100 in 6.2s. So tell me, is it worth putting more donk in it?
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:46 am

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TheTom wrote:I'm convinced Strop is still making more power than me, though :D If you're gonna go for a V8, you can't put expensive parts into it, otherwise there's no way you're gonna meet the 12.000$ price limit.


There's no way a 4.5L v8 is making less than 200hp. Wait, I forgot, this is the 90s, so I guess there is a way :lol: still. I feel compelled to up it a bit. My car only wheelspins at like 38%. It is kind of using pretty fat rear tyres though... And does 0-100 in 6.2s. So tell me, is it worth putting more donk in it?


It's a 4.8L and yes, it does make quite a bit more than 200hp. I thought you'd go a bit harder on the boost, though. I was expecting something like 350-400hp from your engine and that would definitely be more than I got :D
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:49 am

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As the contest organizer, all I have to say is (a) my Pteropus GT (ineligible) reference car uses the 1525cc I4 block from the Sell on Monday, Win on Sunday competition (okay, technically, the engine family is 1994 instead of 1993, but same dimensions, materials, and valvetrain), so don't feel like you have to go high engine capacity and (b) I have confidence in your ability to make a fun car for me to review. :D
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:05 am

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I decided to do the opposite from what everyone is doing, so I just picked a car that was already made and that will fail miserably at this challenge.

So I present the Quark 1.6 EX, with 89 hp from it's 1.6 SOHC engine. All of that power goes to the front wheels via a 5-speed manual gearbox. And now I ran out of things to say about this car. Some pictures then:

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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:29 am

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TheTom wrote:I'm convinced Strop is still making more power than me, though :D If you're gonna go for a V8, you can't put expensive parts into it, otherwise there's no way you're gonna meet the 12.000$ price limit.


That's exactly what happened. I went with less cylinders and decent quality, and that's turned out better than a low quality V8 could have. The engine I went with is about 1/4 of the car's weight and makes 400+ hp, so there's that...
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:35 am

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Leonardo9613 wrote:I decided to do the opposite from what everyone is doing, so I just picked a car that was already made and that will fail miserably at this challenge.

So I present the Quark 1.6 EX, with 89 hp from it's 1.6 SOHC engine. All of that power goes to the front wheels via a 5-speed manual gearbox. And now I ran out of things to say about this car. Some pictures then:


ummm
1. that's an eco car, not really a car made for hooning?? also, getting 20% efficiency in 1994..... that's something man
2. 89hp from a 1.6l still have a higher specific power output than my engine. that's 55 hp per liter.

my first engine design.... 2 liter 4 stroker with a 102HP. that's 51hp per liter (i kinda upped it now though)
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:52 am

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Any opinions on which looks coolest / most hoon?
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:53 am

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koolkei wrote:
ummm
1. that's an eco car, not really a car made for hooning?? also, getting 20% efficiency in 1994..... that's something man
2. 89hp from a 1.6l still have a higher specific power output than my engine. that's 55 hp per liter.


Yup, totally an eco car, not designed to hooning at all, well at least I sent the manual version, would have been even worse if I had used a 4-speed automatic. The car isn't even a 1994 model, I had made it to balance the somwos, so it is a 93 model with a 92 engine. That is why I think it will fail miserably. Or maybe it won't.

And @nialloftara, more power = better, I would say.
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:20 am

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nialloftara wrote:Any opinions on which looks coolest / most hoon?


I think the first one looks hoonier, but as far as power goes, probably the second. There's no replacement for displacement when it comes to burning rubber.
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Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:20 am

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I like it leo! I'm falling to the dark side and getting back in on the BURNOUT sector (though it pains me, because frankly I care more about all round performance and my i4 will spank those overpowered BURNOUT mobiles around the track for sure). But in reality eco cars that get thrashed attract by far the most speeding tickets!

I made a 3.8L v8 that puts out 355hp... It has a nice flat torque curve thanks to some un-VTEC like magic. But I'm not quite satisfied. Maybe I'll try the v6 and see what happens.

EDIT: Nope, decided not worth it. There'll be a population of super high burnout cars but the problem there is due to the arithmetic nature of the calculations and the discrete treatment of each criterion, it just isn't worth it. So I'll go for something that will be somewhere along the spectrum between leo's and the super burnout machines and we'll see how the balance plays out.

So I decided I'd go with the not-Alfa competitor, except I'd also make it a poor-cousin competitor to the Lancer EVO and Impreza WRX. After all those are the kind of cars that this competition pays homage to, at least, as far as I understand.

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Post Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:27 am

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Hello All! I’ve been lurking the Automation forums for a little while and decided I’d finally join up. So if it wasn’t evident this is my first competition! I do plan on getting in just before a few others close hopefully, but that’s neither here nor there. I figured I stalked this thread taking bits of wisdom long enough, and sneaking around to appear last second feels dishonest. No offense to anyone on that last second bit intended, but you guys roughly know each other. I being a new guy, who has watched you guys, makes suddenly showing up seem like bad form. Now I only seem like a moderate stalker...mhmm...well...

Like I said I’ve lurked around for a while so I don’t expect to come close to what I’ve seen some of you guys produce. Especially since the day after I signed up I see that Strop has produced a car for this with so much green on the demo-board that I don’t even know what voodoo is being performed :lol: . I mean, mine is green too like super green, like in one square...well its a modest green. Anyway, perhaps I’ve spent too much on the engine (probably) and focused way too much on the acceleration (definitely) and I’ve got into a pickle putting my car against you guys. Oh well. I'm just curious to see how it does.

Of course that all rides on it being acceptable. Should it be accepted I'll put a little brief up that I wrote up. After the comp's over I'll probably put it up my design/showroom thread that'll come out later.
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Post Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:04 pm

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I think I said this in the PM accepting your entry, but welcome to the forums! This is the first competition I've run, so it's pretty thrilling to see that it's also someone's first competition to enter. :)
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Post Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:15 pm

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Welcome Sebesseg! I feel that this is a slightly unpredictable competition due to the spread of factors and the way they're weighted, but the main message here is that most (all) of us are just here to have a bit of fun making cars that are various degrees of realistic :lol: (Also my car may be 'competitive' according to the current pool but that has very little bearing on the balance of this particular contest... and I suspect most high displacement high power RWD cars here are going to mainly compete for Muscle car buyers).
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Post Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:35 pm

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Packbat wrote:I think I said this in the PM accepting your entry, but welcome to the forums! This is the first competition I've run, so it's pretty thrilling to see that it's also someone's first competition to enter. :)


Yup you did, but I'm happy to thank you again. As I said in my reply this was an interesting concept that was too intriguing for me to pass up.

strop wrote:Welcome Sebesseg! I feel that this is a slightly unpredictable competition due to the spread of factors and the way they're weighted, but the main message here is that most (all) of us are just here to have a bit of fun making cars that are various degrees of realistic :lol: (Also my car may be 'competitive' according to the current pool but that has very little bearing on the balance of this particular contest... and I suspect most high displacement high power RWD cars here are going to mainly compete for Muscle car buyers).


Thank you! One of the aspects that drew me to the competition was the relative freedom allowed by the conditions. I agree that this will lead to some unpredictable results and I'm most interested in the wide variation in cars as a result of the freedoms. No worries, like I said I've lurked and you guys seem like a good bunch so I'm right there with you in the fun department. :D I was just poking a little at your car because I honestly wouldn't have expected that much green. Indeed my car is mostly liked by the muscle car segment so I hope the hoons like that.

I, personally, probably wouldn't trust the car that I built :lol: I went for a Hoon who loves to go fast and (fairly) loud. I sacrificed burn out potential for being able to dash down the road at great speed. I definitely cater to the hoon who loves speed over everything else. That might mean that I miss the mark, but that's fine. For those interested here is my car and a blurb of embellishment/marketing in a condescending, perhaps clarkson-esque tone. Also pardon the logo not matching the car, It feels wrong not to have a badge on the car, but I know the difficulties with making a badge

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Do you have a need for speed? Are you willing to do anything to feel that rush? To drive a car with that spine-breaking, neck-jerking g-force that has no regard for your safety and wants to push you out because you’re weighing it down? Look no further than the Heisler Kardhal Sargossa 323 Track and Sport (T/S). It will take you longer to pronounce the name and explain what it means than to get from 0-100km/h, and that’s no joke.

Just in case you do care enough to learn about what may end up killing you, though, let’s start from the beginning. Heisler is the Hungarian automobile/industrial-equipment division of Luther-FASE (an American multinational automaker) predominately meant to serve as a producer of all types of inexpensive transportation from the humblest of tractors to grittiest of supercars. Heisler started out, pre-WWI, as a maker of the finest French automobiles, because you can do no wrong when you have Hungarians making French cars. Fast forward a couple decades and its making imitation Porsches, off-branded and ruggedized for the leaders of eastern bloc countries, as well as farming implements for the proletariat masses. In 1990, Luther-FASE purchased Heisler and began educating its designers, workers and engineers in standard “American” practices. By 1992 the company was just about ready to start producing its new line-up, starting with a family sedan. Fast forward yet another year and Luther-FASE awards Heisler with a spot in its international line-up with its first task being to create a new “sports” car.

Heisler designers, while having received design training by the American company, had really only ever produced one car that resembled anything like a sports car, the Kardhal. The Kardhal, translating to “Swordfish”, had been a rough (and I mean like the car-industry version of the game ‘telephone’ rough) copy of each equivalent Porsche model. Of course the variation in design was drastic enough to avoid claims of infringement. To be fair, the only people to ever claim they were supposed to Porsches were the factory workers as the company itself supposedly never made such claims, whatever makes you work harder and enjoy doing so. “Sargossa” is named after the Sargasso Sea which is where the swordfish (the actual fish) spawns; with the “O” and “A” transposed because it quote “sounded more Italian, and the Italians make great cars.” “323” is simply the number of horses under the hood, assuming you can reach the peak at redline without blowing the engine. “Track and Sport (T/S)” nominates that this particular variant of the trim is specifically built be the rear-wheel driven hooligan’s dream car, and its comparison to other cars with the words “track” and or “sport” in the title is tenuous at best.

Comfortable, luxurious, well-equipped. These are words. Words that the Kardhal Sargossa 323 T/S doesn’t understand. Fast and demanding are two that it knows in spades. The Kardhal is very mechanical and raw delivering an intense driving experience on both the road and track. It has a tight cabin leaving enough space for you, a person of your choosing (typically a girl, or friend, or perhaps someone you hate and want to punish with an engine delivered punch to the gut) and the shifter in between.

Despite being rough around the edges, the Kardhal delivers a unique experience that will leave a lasting impression. It is perhaps one of the few cars at $12,000 and under able to grant such a wild ride. It’s almost guaranteed to make its driver money from street racing or be involved in some bouts of high speed jaunts to work. Will the hoons, appreciate it for what it is? Its rubber doesn’t burn particularly well and it’s almost as afraid of corners as most American muscle cars, but perhaps the smile on one’s face from having a quarter mile time that would make most Porsches blush is all that matters.
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