Re: Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Rule Discussion]

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Felgen wrote:Your headlights are nice and actually have a reasonable poly count. They'd look VERY out of place on a 1980's car, though.
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Leonardo9613 wrote:The problem isn't with the poly count anymore, it's the fact that the grilles and vents cheat on cooling. If someone uses them in their cars, the car will have too little drag added by the grilles, which makes them have unfairly good economy and top speeds
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BlastersPewPew wrote:No offence VMO but just because you arent the only one doesnt make it rightThis is one of the biggest reasons I am VERY hesitant to use anything other than stock grilles and vents. VMO, do you know of other parts that are "cheating"? I would like to know so I can stop using them as well just in case they mess up the stats.
EDIT: Now I can see your edited values being ok once tooling and engineering costs are implemented, yours could have very high costs to offset the gains in performance.
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Felgen wrote:07CobaltGirl wrote:Felgen wrote:Maybe a rule that says that cars have to look like 1988 cars rather than have a body from the last 10 years? Some cars that could easily pass as 88 models (eg. the "not a Golf" and "not a Toyota Starlet") are available from 1975-76.
Generally speaking, cars in 1988 were either aerodynamic blobs that weren't quite 1990s cars (Audi B3, Ford Taurus, Opel Omega/Senator A, Ford Sierra, etc.) or boxy and angular (Golf II, BMW E34, Chevrolet Caprice, Volvo 240, etc.). Typically, the chrome levels on European and Japanese cars (as in the 1990s) were very sparse, matte plastic was everywhere (if you had paid extra, you could get the bumpers and the mirrors painted), and so on. Some ordinary cars (Mazda 323F and Honda Accord, for example) used popup headlamps as a desperate meassure to look sporty (just like every plain and unattractive car these days has low-profile alloy wheels), thus killing the novelty of these for good.
I think it would make more sense to just go back 20 years (too bad there isn't a 15 years limiter in the game). There are some "typical" 80s car looks, but they don't all fit. Looks on a car are very subjective and therefore wide open to interpretation. For the most part 60s cars looked very different from 80s cars, but not all of them. The only thing which can really be agreed on about looks of different decades, is 40s-50s cars don't look much like 80s cars. Even saying this, however, can be subjective, as sports cars of the 50s weren't THAT different from later decades, and some cars kept similar bodies throughout their entire lifespan (think VW Beetle or Porsche 911) with only subtle changes across many decades.
'The Porsche 911 is an example of the same basic design in several different generation. It's pretty obvious that the 993 is neither a 1960's nor a 2010's car, for instance.Moreover, the VW Beetle didn't exactly use cutting-edge tecnology in the 1960's and 1970's. To be fair, the modern day Porsche 911 can be considered a retro-designed car.
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Leonardo9613 wrote:The problem isn't with the poly count anymore, it's the fact that the grilles and vents cheat on cooling. If someone uses them in their cars, the car will have too little drag added by the grilles, which makes them have unfairly good economy and top speeds
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vmo wrote:Problem solved: today I updated my old grille/vent mods.
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Vri404 wrote:I tried to build a wagon. Couldn't get the MPG down low enough.Guess there won't be a rallying wagon.
vmo wrote:Do you corrected the use of my mods?
I updated all cooling multipliers to 0.7 max.
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