BRC 1955 - The Golden Age [Qualifying R5]

[HighOctaneLove]

OK, naming conventions...

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Der Bayer is probably using multiple folders to keep his personal cars, and the cars from his various contests separate. It's what I do when I run one of my contests. All of my personal creations go in an archive folder while I take in and analyze entries. When it's all done, I wipe the files out of the respective folders and restore my archives (if I so choose).

He has chosen the naming convention, as is his right as the person who's run the contest. I can see your point as well, especially since some others use a naming convention more similar to what you suggested. I prefer to use the one more similar to his when I run my contests.

It is what it is.

But the naming convention similarity IS still a problem and people who run these competitions need to be aware that multiple competitions with the EXACT same naming convention will force players to choose who they want to support. Der Bayer doesn't need to change his naming convention but, for the health of the challenge community participation and variety, competition hosts would be wise to determine a naming convention that doesn't clash with other competitions.

Since the new build this naming convention problem has become the discussion we need to have as people are getting excluded over technicalities. Nothing wrong with asking for a re-submission over an incorrect name (and excluding someone who doesn't comply with the name change request) but challenge hosts need to be crystal clear over what is allowable and what isn't so that people don't make mistakes in the first place. It's all well and good to declare that "it's the host's right" but a host also has responsibilities; clear rules, clear aims, a thick skin and a soft heart.

I wan't the post-steam challenges to run like the pre-steam challenges. The challenges those days were generally light-hearted and fun with tolerance shown for error and non-compliance was shown the door. Now all the challenge pages are littered with severe consequences for minor infractions and a penchant to ridicule mistakes rather than discretely deal with problems through the PM system. These challenges are meant to be FUN but too many of them feel like a chore...

tl;dr - Please come up with a universal naming convention that differentiates between competitions AND keeps things easy for the host!

example from this competition; 55BRC-username-car-model

This instantly solves the similarity problem without any more work on the hosts part!

[Leonardo9613]

I wan't the post-steam challenges to run like the pre-steam challenges. The challenges those days were generally light-hearted and fun with tolerance shown for error and non-compliance was shown the door. Now all the challenge pages are littered with severe consequences for minor infractions and a penchant to ridicule mistakes rather than discretely deal with problems through the PM system. These challenges are meant to be FUN but too many of them feel like a chore...

Thing is, it is because of people like yourself, who hasn't complied with the soft-rules on several occasions, thus requiring further effort from the people who organize the events, that now, we make the rules stricter. Therefore, we save ourselves a great deal of work and bother, because, you know, running and checking and verifying 30+ is not a fun task, at all. If things are badly made and people make errors, it is even worse.

About the naming, if Martin decided that was easy enough for him, good. Let us all use it.

[TrackpadUser]

I don't think anyone has been excluding people over naming post-steam. Most of the time people just get warned and are asked to resubmit their cars.

And while the naming convention used by Der Bayer has the issue of being the same for all his competitions, I don't personally think that it is particularly complicated to get right.

And I don't really see much of a difference in light heartedness and leniency between pre-steam and post-steam.

With a max total cost of 8,000 $, and points for low fuel consumption, it makes more sense to choose a smaller car.

I think the main problem is, once again the very mediocre tires and brakes.

So to make the most out of them you need a light car and not too much power, to not overload them.

[Packbat]

@Leonardo9613: I understand your point, but I don't think it is productive to make it personal. The current four-folder system makes sharing cars a pain for everyone, and that's just something we have to deal with until the devs can bodge together an "Import/Export" feature for us. Until that day comes, using filename conventions makes it a lot - a lot - easier to run a tournament, and given how much work goes into running a tournament, I think that's a worthy thing.

That said I think HighOctaneLove and 07CobaltGirl have good suggestions - suggestions I would bear in mind if I ran a tournament. In Der Bayer's case, given that he's running his tournament through a separate program, I imagine changing filename conventions is a lot more difficult than it would be for most of us.

[HighOctaneLove]

About the naming, if Martin decided that was easy enough for him, good. Let us all use it.

But if we do this then each competition entrant will overwrite the previous entrant. How do you keep seperate 2 or 3 competition entrants at the same time?

If the competition name is identified as part of the naming convention then the problem goes away and if the competition guideline sticky has a universal, community endorsed, form then it will be a simple matter of newcomers (such as I was) learning one format then the naming convention problem will simply go away.

Then when people who need to use a specific format, such as Der Bayer, can do so knowing that having unique naming conventions is the exception, not the rule.

Ignoring the problem won't make it go away; my vote goes for the simple addition of a unique competition code to the start of the filename (as before, add 55BRC- on the front of Der Bayers filename convention) so that we can keep our competition cars after the competition has ended!

[Der Bayer]

Good points, I updated the naming convention.

[HighOctaneLove]

Good points, I updated the naming convention.

Would you like those of us who have already submitted under the old system to re-submit?

[Der Bayer]

No, that's actually more complicated than renaming the files myself.

[HighOctaneLove]

No, that's actually more complicated than renaming the files myself.

, no worries then, thanks again Der Bayer for running this sweet competition!

[BlastersPewPew]

Good points, I updated the naming convention.

THANKS!! It was getting rather confusing trying to find my cars when Automation is only showing the first part of the car name, I had tons of cars that all I saw was "BlastersPewPew-Cars-Mo...." when I would go to revise them. Here is hoping for an Import/Export button as well.

[Felgen]

Where can I find the .lua files?

[CWRules]

In My Documents/My Games/Automation, there are subfolders with your car and engine .lua files.

[VicVictory]

After extensive testing, Ardent has nixed both the Midnight and Starlight based models for the 1955 racing season. Following European roadster trends, they have put together their own pint-sized entry. Here it is, the Ardent 119B:

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Honestly I would liked to have given it a go with one of the other bodies, but given that I was able to get this one 2-8 seconds faster on Brands Hatch, 3-9 seconds faster on Automation track, and up to 40 seconds faster on Green Hell, I ended up giving in to the craze.

[07CobaltGirl]

Good points, I updated the naming convention.

Thank you for understanding, Der Bayer! As always, you're the best!

I think my comment was getting diluted through the discussion. It wasn't a complaint so much as a suggestion. I don't propose to tell others how to run competitions. I don't run them myself, mainly to to the serious effort and commitment they require. I do love participating in them, however. Right now, most of our cars will be null and void by the time v1.0 is released, due to numerous changes and additions still to come. I just thought it would be better to establish a precedent for a unique system so later, when cars will not be nullified by many upcoming changes, we could retain them at a higher rate. Yes, I just overwrote my 1945 submission. It doesn't bother me (much) because I had the submitted one backed up. It's not present, but also not lost. The new save system presents a unique challenge, as renaming it automatically overwrites what was uniquely named. Pre-steam versions retained the old file and renamed a new file when saved with a new name. So they should be overwritten with unique names also. That is all I was saying. Thanks for listening.

As an aside, those of you who have received submissions from me know how I submit ALL of my cars. I follow file naming conventions (I think), but additionally, I separate the zip file into Automation-named folders for easy installation. I do this to make it easier for the event host, and I have not received a complaint (yet) about doing this extra step. So I'm all about making it easier for the event hosts, as I appreciate their time to host events!

[BlastersPewPew]

Good points, I updated the naming convention.

Thank you for understanding, Der Bayer! As always, you're the best!

I think my comment was getting diluted through the discussion. It wasn't a complaint so much as a suggestion. I don't propose to tell others how to run competitions. I don't run them myself, mainly to to the serious effort and commitment they require. I do love participating in them, however. Right now, most of our cars will be null and void by the time v1.0 is released, due to numerous changes and additions still to come. I just thought it would be better to establish a precedent for a unique system so later, when cars will not be nullified by many upcoming changes, we could retain them at a higher rate. Yes, I just overwrote my 1945 submission. It doesn't bother me (much) because I had the submitted one backed up. It's not present, but also not lost. The new save system presents a unique challenge, as renaming it automatically overwrites what was uniquely named. Pre-steam versions retained the old file and renamed a new file when saved with a new name. So they should be overwritten with unique names also. That is all I was saying. Thanks for listening.

As an aside, those of you who have received submissions from me know how I submit ALL of my cars. I follow file naming conventions (I think), but additionally, I separate the zip file into Automation-named folders for easy installation. I do this to make it easier for the event host, and I have not received a complaint (yet) about doing this extra step. So I'm all about making it easier for the event hosts, as I appreciate their time to host events!

I also keep the Automation folder structure so files can be copied over as easy as possible, the less stress the organizer has the higher the chance they will host a race again