BRC QuER - Hockenheim 1000 km 1976 [FIX]

[07CobaltGirl]

Thanks, Absurdist. That's the option I used, but I really wasn't very sure.

Two entries submitted. #16 and #17 (I think), since Der Bayer took my #13. hahaha

[NormanVauxhall]

OK, the BRCTool has me confused. This is a 1000km race, right? I see a lot of new options in the tool. What option do I need for THIS race? Sprint? Endurance? R1, R2, R3?

I had the same doubt, than I've read the readme.txt
It is updated and explain what to to.

[Der Bayer]

Today's test will only be a 20 lap practise session, so strategy won't matter yet. For the race next week I want you to set up your strategy for qualifying and race 1. Please use endurance mode if you need more than 4 pit stops. Else I won't guarantee plausible behaviour.

4 hours to get your cars for testing in. And please, please don't spam my inbox with cars you plan to revise 1 hour later.

[Absurdist]

you plan to revise 1 hour later.

I contributed to that, but I didn't exactly plan to do a dumb and submit an overpriced car

Bit of advice if anyone wants it, actually check your car is reaching it's top speed by watching it on the track. A theoretical top speed of 310 is useless if you are only hitting 270. But always have a bit of leeway for slip streaming anyway.

[07CobaltGirl]

Well, my original plan was to do the smaller coupe body (I have no idea what it is based on) with a turbo and my initial build using the Pantera-ish body as an NA. I had the NA all set and started on the turbo car, but when I went back today the NA car was gone (engine still saved but car model/trim vanished. Seriously Automation...WTF???? So, the NA got stuffed into the smaller coupe. Screw it. Both kind of suck anyway, going by these numbers I'm reading. The engines are different displacements, making both cars roughly the same weight +/- 80kg. Turbo has ~500hp and NA has ~450hp. Both are between 4000cc and 5000cc small block V8s. Reliability for both engines is >45, and sport/drive ratio sucks balls on both as the wheelspin is hideous. Also, I cannot get front aero to work for me no matter what I try!!! Both cars have -30+ front and some slight downforce on back (I don't remember how much for either). Aero is frustrating!!!!

[Riso]

Aero is for corners. Hockenheim is short on corners.

Do the math.

[07CobaltGirl]

I can math just fine.

Aero isn't just for corners. Aero reduces lift, which stabilizes a car at high speeds.

Whether I need it or not, it wasn't working for me.
Read the words.

[Riso]

I tell you, the less aero bits I have the quicker my car!

[07CobaltGirl]

I didn't say it would negatively effect your car. I only told you there were negative effects of not having any aero. You said aero is only for corners. Your statement was incorrect, regardless of your results. Positive downforce is for high-speed (and some mid-speed) corners. Aero in general is for stability while at speed. I stated I couldn't get rid of lift on the front and have some small amount of downforce on the rear. Both of my cars currently have greater than 40kg of lift at the front of the car.

[squidhead]

Aero is for corners. Hockenheim is short on corners.

You are so wrong on both those statements, man.

[Denta]

so did the tools still have error when opening cars with 'A' letter or something like that same as the last version?

i cant open both of my car right now

[Riso]

My car is -30/-50kg and that is wonderful because it greatly reduces my drag to increase top speed.

Aero like lips and wings in the game will only let you increase downforce. Very helpful if we wanted to go fast through corners.
My experiments on Hockenheim with its long straights however showed that high top speed, low drag, is significantly better than neutral or positive downforce.

Handling at speed is an important concern in real life but hardly matters in the game where it's abstracted into a point here or there.

[Packbat]

"Aero doesn't make my car faster at this track" =/= "aero is useless for everyone's cars at this track". Condescension doesn't make our cars have the same tradeoffs between downforce and top speed as yours.

[TheBobWiley]

FYI, my aero is set at 32/22, but every car is different. This build requires the downforce graphs to go positive to achieve better laptimes, but most of the other bodies I played with actually wanted to stay with a negative downforce to go faster overall. Its like suspension, requires a lot of back and forth to the test track.

My car could easily pass the 2:19 wall if the suspension could physically get softer, top speed is the biggest drawback with this body

srry for the PMs Der Bayer, who knew going in the opposite direction with suspension sliders than what I had been doing would suddenly give massive lap time decreases?!

[squidhead]

My experiments on Hockenheim with its long straights however showed that high top speed, low drag, is significantly better than neutral or positive downforce.

I have removed all lips and wing from my car. It is not 0.7 seconds per lap slower. Any explanations?