The Oil Crisis of the 1970's - {CLOSED}

[Lordred]

more of a pony car man myself.....



I agree on scoring Emissions, no need to make it a heavy weight, but weigh it some, but I also agree that no CAT should be required for 73, just have leaded banned, and set a maximum emissions level. Shame we do not have the option to equip smog pumps.

[ArnRno]

but I also agree that no CAT should be required for 73

Agreed, but the competition is set in 1976. Not sure when mandates insisted on cats, and not just emissions numbers... but I bet 76 could be doable still.

Shame we do not have the option to equip smog pumps.

Such a shame, but we can dream, right? One day, maybe in Automation X we can adjust all belt-driven accessories, and make cars without power brakes, etc.

Also, I'm in huge agreement that emissions SHOULD NOT be a weighted stat, but a hard limit, pass/fail. HOLY SH*T, thank you LordRed, I missed that completely. There shouldn't be an opportunity for a cat to be inferior in every way, but just so damn clean at the tailpipe that it would sweep the contest. Think about it, when buying a new cat in 1976 I will wager that exactly zero consumers compared at tail pipe hydrocarbon and CO levels when buying their new cat - that was the EPA (or equivalent)'s job, and they had a pass/fail system, the same way cars do today. Titleguy, what you should do is (sorry, giving you homework) put together a handful of cars, rich, lean, etc., different engine configs, etc, body types (you're following by now) and chart and plot those cat's emission, find an average or mean that you agree with, maybe check out real-world numbers and make a set pass/fail emissions number for the contest.

I cannot lobby enough to remove that stat as a weighted variable!!!


EDIT: Alternative to the pass/fail - make a high/standard/low emissions bracket score sort of thing, like the regions/running costs do for emissions taxation. Normal is a pass, if it's over your determined "high" mark, then boom, big penalty to... something. Now, I don't think the 70s had a LEV sort of thing, at least not in the US that I know of, but if you want to give players a bonus for a super low emissions vehicle, like sub-500, or what ever, then go for it.

[strop]

I have just the perfect challenge for this, a carryover from Manche's Pro Touring concept. And when I say challenge, I mean challenge, since the previous car was a height-of-the-madness 1000Nm muscle car on way too much steroids.

The Phaedra Juggernaut

Time to ruin this car!

[vmo]

My suggestions:
-Maximum weight.
-Maximum/minimum wheelbase.

[Microwave]

Maximum weight and wheelbase? Why? There were still lots of American land barges in the 70s,

[vmo]

Or a time manufacture minor than 250hrs.

[Manche]

I have just the perfect challenge for this, a carryover from Manche's Pro Touring concept. And when I say challenge, I mean challenge, since the previous car was a height-of-the-madness 1000Nm muscle car on way too much steroids.

The Phaedra Juggernaut

Time to ruin this car!

Might even revive it and all I'm going to scrap a few things such as damage and stuff

[titleguy1]

Competition is now open!

[vmo]

If we're taking emissions into account then I say all but mandate a cat in the exhaust system - make the emissions threshold low enough that a cat-less car is possible, but it'll be a tough road to go, like the CVCC Honda used was clean enough that cats weren't really necessary.

About the CVCC, exists this true story between Soichiro Honda and Chrysler:

Is in Spanish: http://www.diariomotor.com/2015/09/21/h ... al-motors/

Or the Honda website: http://world.honda.com/history/challeng ... age06.html

[nerd]

So are coupes legal or not?

[Microwave]

Introducing the "Astro" by MicroDesigns!



18 Valve powaaaah!

[KLinardo]

I had planned to have 2 spreadsheets, one for compact cars, one for large sedans.

So will there be a different bracket for sedans or should I be building a not-Pinto to do well?

[ArnRno]

18 Valve powaaaah!

Pushrods on a W9?
Or a DOHC on an inline 4.5?

[strop]

lol no, it's a 6cyl 3 valves per cylinder SOHC. I played with the same configuration and turned my 1000Nm Juggernaut into a 4 seater sedan that gets 20mpg *sobs*

[VicVictory]

18 Valve powaaaah!

Pushrods on a W9?
Or a DOHC on an inline 4.5?

Well, it's either a 3-valve SOHC 6-cyl OR...

It's a poorly assembled 4 with a few extra valves rattling around in the oil pan?