AMWEC '15 [Finished]

[koolkei]

That is correct, you can participate in one, two or even three classes.

but i wont be able to get the first 2 titles am i?

[Sillyworld]

That is correct, you can participate in one, two or even three classes.

but i wont be able to get the first 2 titles am i?

Of course you will. Let's suppose your cars end up in the top 2 places overall (an AGTE and an AP1). That means you will be winning the next titles:

Manufacturer's World Endurance Champion
World Endurance champion car
Gran Touring world cup
Endurance Prototype world cup

You'll win the manufacturer title unless someone get more points than you (probably using 3 cars and ending in good position). I thought of using the average points (every car's points divided by the number of cars) but that will be unfair, because if someone enters with only one car and wins the world title, that someone will automatically win the manufacturer title as well, even if others made 3 good and well rounded cars.

[koolkei]

Of course you will. Let's suppose your cars end up in the top 2 places overall (an AGTE and an AP1). That means you will be winning the next titles:

Manufacturer's World Endurance Champion
World Endurance champion car
Gran Touring world cup
Endurance Prototype world cup

You'll win the manufacturer title unless someone get more points than you (probably using 3 cars and ending in good position). I thought of using the average points (every car's points divided by the number of cars) but that will be unfair, because if someone enters with only one car and wins the world title, that someone will automatically win the manufacturer title as well, even if others made 3 good and well rounded cars.

in another word
i can. but i just have to finish in relatively higher position in the 2 races...
kay. got it.

anyway.

i dont see much more rules to discuss. when will the entries be opened?

[Sillyworld]

i dont see much more rules to discuss. when will the entries be opened?

I'm still fine balancing what will be the final spreadsheet, and also I will update the OP to change the naming conventions a little bit and to change the "one trim for each race" rule for "one trim for all races". So I think next sunday the entries will be opened

[UMGaming]

Is there a year limit on the engine's for the production model and race model of the AGTE class?

[Sillyworld]

Is there a year limit on the engine's for the production model and race model of the AGTE class?

From 2012 to 2015.

[UMGaming]

ok

[Sillyworld]

Since there's not discussion about the rules, the entries are now open.
Please check the OP for more info, like de deadline and the rules for revisions.

[Leonardo9613]

Just had a look into the calculations, they seem adequate, with only one issue: the car seems to crash far too often. There were three consecutive laps in which the cars crashed in the example you sent. That is far from realistic. And one other thing, the car went to the pits and got repaired at the very last lap. I don't think any driver ever would do that.

Also, I see that fuel weight and tyre wear don't influence the lap times at all. I tried to simulate these before and they are indeed a big pain in the ass, so I won't complain about not including them.

Edit: Just noticed the fuel pressure indicator, I reckon you meant litres per lap, rather than litres per second.

[Sillyworld]

Just had a look into the calculations, they seem adequate, with only one issue: the car seems to crash far too often. There were three consecutive laps in which the cars crashed in the example you sent. That is far from realistic. And one other thing, the car went to the pits and got repaired at the very last lap. I don't think any driver ever would do that.

Also, I see that fuel weight and tyre wear don't influence the lap times at all. I tried to simulate these before and they are indeed a big pain in the ass, so I won't complain about not including them.

Edit: Just noticed the fuel pressure indicator, I reckon you meant litres per lap, rather than litres per second.

Yes! I still have some balancing to do, specially with the probabilities of minor accidents, because as you said, those happen very often! And the pit stop on the last lap is a really pain in the ass as it can make you lose the race. Those are really easy fixes, so I think the final version of the spreadsheed will be available maybe next sunday o next monday.

I can try to add the fuel weight and tyre wear as well (I just first need to know how those will affect the lap times), but those calculations will be implemented in the next version of the spreadsheet (in another competition) along with some pit strategy options.

That indicator (1.1401 liters per second) actually means the flow rate at wich the tank fuel is refueled. According to the FIA WEC rules, the fuel should be pumped from a height of 1 or 2 meters through a pipe of 2.5 inches.

EDIT: Today VMO updated his old mods. I personally checked most of them, and the cooling multiplier seems alright (in the same ballpark as other custom mods and vanilla grills).

[UMGaming]

Just had a look into the calculations, they seem adequate, with only one issue: the car seems to crash far too often. There were three consecutive laps in which the cars crashed in the example you sent. That is far from realistic. And one other thing, the car went to the pits and got repaired at the very last lap. I don't think any driver ever would do that.

Also, I see that fuel weight and tyre wear don't influence the lap times at all. I tried to simulate these before and they are indeed a big pain in the ass, so I won't complain about not including them.

Edit: Just noticed the fuel pressure indicator, I reckon you meant litres per lap, rather than litres per second.

Yes! I still have some balancing to do, specially with the probabilities of minor accidents, because as you said, those happen very often! And the pit stop on the last lap is a really pain in the ass as it can make you lose the race. Those are really easy fixes, so I think the final version of the spreadsheed will be available maybe next sunday o next monday.

I can try to add the fuel weight and tyre wear as well (I just first need to know how those will affect the lap times), but those calculations will be implemented in the next version of the spreadsheet (in another competition) along with some pit strategy options.

That indicator (1.1401 liters per second) actually means the flow rate at wich the tank fuel is refueled. According to the FIA WEC rules, the fuel should be pumped from a height of 1 or 2 meters through a pipe of 2.5 inches.

EDIT: Today VMO updated his old mods. I personally checked most of them, and the cooling multiplier seems alright (in the same ballpark as other custom mods and vanilla grills).

also noticed that the lap counter doesn't change (stay's at 440 laps for me)

[Leonardo9613]

for that you would need to add or remove lines, he cut the calculations when the 24h had passed as there was no need to know what the car would do after those.

Also, @sillyworld, my bad about the fuel pressure, About tyre wear, you'd rather not mess with those, they really are a nightmare. I worked with Jakgoe and strop to make a challenge that simulated those, and just as we were ready to go, der bayer came up with his brc, which was infinitely better structured and easier on his side, as he automated the file reading process. Anyway, I don't think it is worth the bother for a sheet based challenge.

[Sillyworld]

also noticed that the lap counter doesn't change (stay's at 440 laps for me)

for that you would need to add or remove lines, he cut the calculations when the 24h had passed as there was no need to know what the car would do after those.

I already fixed that, but I haven't updated the spreadsheed, so wait for the final version in a couple of days.

About tyre wear, you'd rather not mess with those, they really are a nightmare [...] Anyway, I don't think it is worth the bother for a sheet based challenge.

Too late, I'm working at that now we'll see how it goes...

Update: In other news, I updated the OP. Now the schedule for the race is up and VMO's mods are allowed.
I checked the new luas for the VMOs's mods, and the cooling multiplier values were between 0.2 to 0.7. The higher was a grill with 0.9. I compared those values with some others grilles and vents (from the workshop and vanilla) and all are around the same values.

[squidhead]

Well...



Kraft Haus Technik is coming to AMWEC
I just need to finalize some last minute tweaks and changes... tomorrow, since it's night time by now

[Sillyworld]

I just updated the OP. The final version of the spreadsheet is up, so you can check it.
Some minor tweeks were done. Now the weight of the fuel tankl affects the lap time, and some "pit strategy" will be required. Check the OP for more info.