Homologation 1988 Group Automation [Reviews]

[strop]

Also is there a way for us to verify if the vmo aero drag issue has been fixed? I actually would like to use them (because frankly they look good), but don't want to mess up the stats!

[Lordred]

I would be more than willing to lift that restriction, if we can get some solid evidence that this has been addressed.

[Felgen]

VMO's mods have increased in quality since the beginning. The poly count can be a bit too high on some meshes (mostly the vents), but this shouldn't be too big of a deal on a modern computer.

[Lordred]

VMO's mods have increased in quality since the beginning. The poly count can be a bit too high on some meshes (mostly the vents), but this shouldn't be too big of a deal on a modern computer.

The problem is not the polycount, it is the disparity between Aero vs cooling. 'Back in the day' before the Steam workshop, they were known for having no negative aero properties, while providing amazing cooling.

So long as this is fixed, I am willing to allow them.

[Rossriders]

Is it too late to suggest a rule?

I ask because well...there is one car I actually had in mind for something like this from the 1984 contest, my Varro.

But the base body was from 1975, and given this is 1988, I'm SOL in that regard (and wish the body was newer but rules are rules and them's the breaks), cause I really wanted to take a jab at a newer version of said car in a contest.

I realize though I'm not making that best a case...that being for cars from the older contest could be revised or updated for this one.

If not...then oh well, I'll just get to making a newer car soon as I can.

Again...sorry for not saying it all well, my excuse being multi-tasking and ...life.

[Felgen]

Maybe a rule that says that cars have to look like 1988 cars rather than have a body from the last 10 years? Some cars that could easily pass as 88 models (eg. the "not a Golf" and "not a Toyota Starlet") are available from 1975-76.

Generally speaking, cars in 1988 were either aerodynamic blobs that weren't quite 1990s cars (Audi B3, Ford Taurus, Opel Omega/Senator A, Ford Sierra, etc.) or boxy and angular (Golf II, BMW E34, Chevrolet Caprice, Volvo 240, etc.). Typically, the chrome levels on European and Japanese cars (as in the 1990s) were very sparse, matte plastic was everywhere (if you had paid extra, you could get the bumpers and the mirrors painted), and so on. Some ordinary cars (Mazda 323F and Honda Accord, for example) used popup headlamps as a desperate meassure to look sporty (just like every plain and unattractive car these days has low-profile alloy wheels), thus killing the novelty of these for good.

[Lordred]

I will strongly consider this.

[07CobaltGirl]

Maybe a rule that says that cars have to look like 1988 cars rather than have a body from the last 10 years? Some cars that could easily pass as 88 models (eg. the "not a Golf" and "not a Toyota Starlet") are available from 1975-76.

Generally speaking, cars in 1988 were either aerodynamic blobs that weren't quite 1990s cars (Audi B3, Ford Taurus, Opel Omega/Senator A, Ford Sierra, etc.) or boxy and angular (Golf II, BMW E34, Chevrolet Caprice, Volvo 240, etc.). Typically, the chrome levels on European and Japanese cars (as in the 1990s) were very sparse, matte plastic was everywhere (if you had paid extra, you could get the bumpers and the mirrors painted), and so on. Some ordinary cars (Mazda 323F and Honda Accord, for example) used popup headlamps as a desperate meassure to look sporty (just like every plain and unattractive car these days has low-profile alloy wheels), thus killing the novelty of these for good.

I think it would make more sense to just go back 20 years (too bad there isn't a 15 years limiter in the game). There are some "typical" 80s car looks, but they don't all fit. Looks on a car are very subjective and therefore wide open to interpretation. For the most part 60s cars looked very different from 80s cars, but not all of them. The only thing which can really be agreed on about looks of different decades, is 40s-50s cars don't look much like 80s cars. Even saying this, however, can be subjective, as sports cars of the 50s weren't THAT different from later decades, and some cars kept similar bodies throughout their entire lifespan (think VW Beetle or Porsche 911) with only subtle changes across many decades.

[EnryGT5]

Well... i think this is perfect for the good old '88 Achernar..

[Lordred]

Very well, rule Errata, 20 years for body, but it must 'look' like it came from the 80s.

[Felgen]

Maybe a rule that says that cars have to look like 1988 cars rather than have a body from the last 10 years? Some cars that could easily pass as 88 models (eg. the "not a Golf" and "not a Toyota Starlet") are available from 1975-76.

Generally speaking, cars in 1988 were either aerodynamic blobs that weren't quite 1990s cars (Audi B3, Ford Taurus, Opel Omega/Senator A, Ford Sierra, etc.) or boxy and angular (Golf II, BMW E34, Chevrolet Caprice, Volvo 240, etc.). Typically, the chrome levels on European and Japanese cars (as in the 1990s) were very sparse, matte plastic was everywhere (if you had paid extra, you could get the bumpers and the mirrors painted), and so on. Some ordinary cars (Mazda 323F and Honda Accord, for example) used popup headlamps as a desperate meassure to look sporty (just like every plain and unattractive car these days has low-profile alloy wheels), thus killing the novelty of these for good.

I think it would make more sense to just go back 20 years (too bad there isn't a 15 years limiter in the game). There are some "typical" 80s car looks, but they don't all fit. Looks on a car are very subjective and therefore wide open to interpretation. For the most part 60s cars looked very different from 80s cars, but not all of them. The only thing which can really be agreed on about looks of different decades, is 40s-50s cars don't look much like 80s cars. Even saying this, however, can be subjective, as sports cars of the 50s weren't THAT different from later decades, and some cars kept similar bodies throughout their entire lifespan (think VW Beetle or Porsche 911) with only subtle changes across many decades.

'The Porsche 911 is an example of the same basic design in several different generation. It's pretty obvious that the 993 is neither a 1960's nor a 2010's car, for instance. Moreover, the VW Beetle didn't exactly use cutting-edge tecnology in the 1960's and 1970's. To be fair, the modern day Porsche 911 can be considered a retro-designed car.

[Zabhawkin]

Stat Weighting.
High: Off Road, Sportiness, Drivability
Average: Reliability, Safety, Prestige, Comfort
Below Average: Practicality, Utility, -Affordability

Definition of Affordability: √(Total Cost x 1.67 + Yearly Maintenance Cost) Will be deducted from the final score.

You just had to add Comfort, something that DMA always seems to struggle with.

[DoctorNarfy]

One last question, Is the 12-14K Budget for The Sales price or Production costs?

[Lordred]

12-14k is the cost to build, not the sale price. I thought about using the screen of #s, but I wont do that this time.

But I will in the future

[vmo]

My last mods (since the VMO q90 headlight) doesn't had performance problems. The older mods I doesn't fixed, but I will fix in a future (note: the performance problems only appears when you move or put into the body one of my older fixtures).