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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:51 pm

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Love the Reviews there. I'm not at all dissatisfied with my performance, and congratulations to the winners.


I actually already have a family car in 07, and it sells for a lot less than 35 Grand. I'm wondering if it would be worth it to sell it at a way cheaper price or try to improve it for more money..
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:06 pm

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I'm having to switch production time between two different challenge cars right now, so I'm getting nearly the full experience.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:15 pm

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Honestly disappointed with my performance given I wasn't even an honorable mention, but I'm still learning and know what to improve next time.

Congrats to the winners.

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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:24 pm

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thecarlover wrote:Congrats to all the winners! This was a fun challenge, and strop, I would be interested in that modified trim you made. I'm always looking for ways to improve my cars.


I agree. After reading all the entries (Max kudo's Strop, they're all entertaining without being unduly harsh or too flattering, :lol: ) I would have been tempted to buy Nialloftara's entry as well! 8-)

So looking forward to next round; this competition concept is so much fun!!! :ugeek:
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:08 pm

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As a final summary to the previous round, before gearing up for the next round, I think the trick to balancing all those things was actually all in considering the weight of your vital components. More weight = needs more grip and power = more expensive in general unless you cut corners. It also implies that you're using either a bigger engine, better interior, larger platform or a combination of all of those things. Therefore, any budget challenge which doesn't strongly favour comfort or utility over everything else (think Man With a Van, or Farm Truck), you should automatically think 'what is an appropriate size without being too small?'

The weight of the engine is absolutely instrumental to determining the dynamic characteristics of your car. Where niall was very clever was that the sedan is a bit longer so doesn't carry as bad a F:R weight imbalance as, say, the hatch, but at the same time having more weight over the front wheels meant more driving traction. That, and the fact the rest of the tuning was subtly geared to accommodate this was why it was so fast around the track. Because it stuck to standard interior instead of premium like so many of the others, it also turned out to be a good 100kg lighter than the average, including the hatchbacks, which were all around 1600kg. Which is a lot for a hatch, that's more what I'd expect from a medium-large sedan or a CUV.

Making a 6L V8 is hilarious and gives you huge power but had a lot of compromises: very low redline, huge slab of block in the front that made the car difficult to tune dynamically, and it was by far and away the worst at the pump. In everyday real world markets, the importance of the concept of right-sizing cannot be overstated.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:05 pm

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Thanks for the feedback, Strop. It will definitely help me in the future.

I'm not in any way saying the Series 6 Wagon was good, which is why I'm not surprised it didn't make the list. My competitive nature dictates that I'm disappointed by that result, but I'm not surprised. It was extremely fast in a straight line, moderately well equipped for the money, among the better looking cars available, which I'm proud of, I'm learning to work with fixtures better, and theoretically very spacious. With current game calculations we'll never really know for certain. Other than that I will admit it wasn't fantastic, and I was never pleased with the economy. As I saw other entries being posted I realized that you would really have to like the good aspects of the Series 6 to ignore the bad aspects and choose it over something else, which I knew wasn't going to happen. I don't know you well, but I understand you well enough to realize that you are a reasonable man who takes everything into account.

In reality I was trying to make points in other places to make up for comprises in more important areas. I could have fit somewhat bigger tyres on the rear but I wanted to go for the bonus points of having the same tyres all around, which ended up not playing much into the equation. The fact of the matter is that I made a car with stats in the average range of everything else, but the terrible gas mileage killed it. Trying to wow you with an impressive engine didn't compensate for that, and in the real world probably wouldn't for most markets.

But now I have tons of information for the next iteration, of which there will be one, and plenty of ideas to make it better. The 6L V8 with AWD will probably stay, but it may become a track package rather than a sport package, with a more reasonable powerplant for the sport package. The only place to go is up.

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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:42 pm

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Racer13 wrote:Thanks for the feedback, Strop. It will definitely help me in the future.

I'm not in any way saying the Series 6 Wagon was good, which is why I'm not surprised it didn't make the list. My competitive nature dictates that I'm disappointed by that result, but I'm not surprised. It was extremely fast in a straight line, moderately well equipped for the money, among the better looking cars available, which I'm proud of, I'm learning to work with fixtures better, and theoretically very spacious. With current game calculations we'll never really know for certain. Other than that I will admit it wasn't fantastic, and I was never pleased with the economy. As I saw other entries being posted I realized that you would really have to like the good aspects of the Series 6 to ignore the bad aspects and choose it over something else, which I knew wasn't going to happen. I don't know you well, but I understand you well enough to realize that you are a reasonable man who takes everything into account.

In reality I was trying to make points in other places to make up for comprises in more important areas. I could have fit somewhat bigger tyres on the rear but I wanted to go for the bonus points of having the same tyres all around, which ended up not playing much into the equation. The fact of the matter is that I made a car with stats in the average range of everything else, but the terrible gas mileage killed it. Trying to wow you with an impressive engine didn't compensate for that, and in the real world probably wouldn't for most markets.

But now I have tons of information for the next iteration, of which there will be one, and plenty of ideas to make it better. The 6L V8 with AWD will probably stay, but it may become a track package rather than a sport package, with a more reasonable powerplant for the sport package. The only place to go is up.

Cheers - Racer13


However, you may still have won in the Australian market though... There are a large number of cashed up Aussies who'd relish the thought of 6L of V8 and would see the lairy driving characteristics as a benefit, not a flaw! :lol:
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:50 pm

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I still win the least power prize :D

YAY for me. I'm bad at this game :D
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:01 pm

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@Vri You're not bad, you're just good at making detuned engines. I actually seem to have a problem with not knowing how to make detuned engines, so maybe we can share notes and both end up in some sort of middle ground. :P :lol:

@HighOctaneLove Well at least there is a market somewhere. Just not the market I was after, haha. Always look on the bright side of life, right?

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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:04 pm

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To make a wagon or a van... Hmm... Not too many body styles from this period, especially for vans and CUVs.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:19 pm

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I'm almost ready with my choice of vehicle for this. Just trying to finalize some of my design choices and pick a paint color for the display model.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:19 pm

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Putting weight o.k. the drive axle always is a clever thing to do, usually I don't spend too much attention to that, something I should watch out for. I don't want to be a sore loser and I don't know the drive axle lengths on the car, but I thought that above 300 nm car constructors generally shy away from FF due to torque steer becoming very hard to combat, I could be mistaken though. Don't want to take anything away from Nials win though, with a V6 I imagine the drive axles could be pretty equal, damn clever. Just wanted to bring it up since I didn't see any mention of it anywhere.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:51 pm

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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:15 pm

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Presenting my entry for round 2 of the Car Shopping Round!!! :D

Are you a working family who've decided to finally splurge on a new car? Have you no interest in "hoonin" but'd rather get there comfortably and safely?

If you answer "yes" to both these questions then Bogliq Automotive has the vehicle for you!

Introducing the 2007 Bogliq Gypsy GLXi...
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A spacious six seater with the road manners of a sedan and the offroad ability of a 4WD, the Bogliq Gypsy is a family truckster with a comfy interior, gutsy V6 and full off-road 4WD ability.
The Gypsy is also great on fuel while being smooth, refined and easy to drive... And all for the tiny sum of $35K au! :shock:

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Post Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:59 pm

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So, you're looking for something comfortable, with lots of seats and reasonable cargo space? We may just have the vehicle for you.

The Storm Meteor, a minivan for those who enjoy driving. It's not exactly fast, and it doesn't exactly have a ton of horsepower, but what it does have, we think you'll like.
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Let's just start in the driver's seat. The instrument cluster is all digital, complete with turn-by-turn directions right next to the speedometer from our top-of-the-line sat-nav system. The center console has room for both CD's and cassettes, as well as four cupholders for the front seats. Entertainment is provided through a 6-CD changer in the dash, as well as a cassette deck and AM/FM radio. We may have gone a little overboard with the speakers, but we think it's for the best, with 21 strategically placed speakers providing the best possible sound from whatever media you may have put in there. Air conditioning is zone-controlled in three major zones: Front seats, middle bench, and rear bench. These zones are individually controlled from one another, so everyone can be comfortable. Just in case you want it, we also have heated seats for all 7 passengers.

Now, I know what you're thinking, you only need 5 seats, and we're giving you 7. Not to worry. Our seats fold flat, so if you need the space for cargo, not passengers, you can fold any of the 5 rear seats flat.
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Outside, it's a fairly standard minivan. Power sliding rear doors and a power lift-gate should make loading up easier, and the aerodynamic shape should help with fuel efficiency.

I understand, the MPG is a little low, but remember, you're sitting in a top-of-the-line premium minivan. We've done what we can to make up for the fuel efficiency without sacrificing comfort. We've coupled the V6 with a 7-speed automatic with a fairly tall overdrive gear, but you're looking at about 22 MPG combined.

Ah, you want to know how it handles a few bumps and potholes? We built the Meteor with hydropneumatic suspension because we wanted it to soak up the bumps. Now, sure, it does take some getting used to, and we understand it's not exactly for everyone, but it does make for an excellent ride.

Driving assists? Well, power steering and ABS are standard, as are traction control and stability assistance. AWD should help in most situations, as will the viscous limited-slip differentials. What good is AWD if you still get high-centered on a parking divider, after all?
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Now, admittedly, our engine isn't likely as powerful as our competition, but we'd like to think we found a perfect balance between not enough and too much power. There should be enough there to pass cars with ease, but it's not designed for the race track. We've also done extensive research into the effects of engine noise and how it affects the comfort in the passenger cabin. Too much, and it's disruptive and distracting, but too little, and there's not enough engine noise to drive by. We tried to leave just enough noise for driving while all-but-eliminating the rest, then provided you the means to block out the world.

Our asking price is pretty close to your budget allotment, but still under it, and you are getting a lot for your money. If it helps your decision any, in that purchase price is a 10 year, 200,000 mile warranty, as well as free service and oil changes at any Storm Automotive dealership.
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