CTC - Car Tycoon Challenge #2 [RESULTS]

[xwing]

Der_Bayer, because so much depends on the price and you simulate 5 years, would it be possible to adjust prices for example after the first year of sales? Close the competition, make a simulation for one year and post partial results (you dont have to post all, maybe only finance overview or just total sales), leave 24hours for price adjustments of participants and then simulate the remaining 4 years? Or make automatic price adjustments per year (but only in x% increments), but that would probably be pretty hard because not everyone is here to maximize profit, some want to maximize marketshare. But nobody in their right mind would sit on overpriced cars without any discount, or keep selling cars cheap if they cant keep up in production

But I understand if its too much hassle for you and you want to keep it simple&easy to manage. I would settle for more frequent challenges

[NexxusDrako]

Ack, my car was genuinely terribad. I would not have made a profit no matter what price I set. LOL

[Kubboz]

Hmmmm... I cannot get the costs score formula to give the same result as it should.

[8bs]

I think that we should look to this: A hot-hatch buyer likes more sportiness, but also prefers some tameness and safety. But if your car has much of these last two, your car will reach another group who gives more attention to that stats. And you will up ending selling cars to those 2 or 3 groups. If you're able to moderate your car specs to reach the necessary amount of stats for a determined group (which is difficult) you simply hit the target group successfully. Even if we sold some cars to other groups, the majority focus is in the aimed group, based on the well balanced stats. In certain groups, we need to reduce, per example, the security stats.

If we pay attention to marketshare sheet, we're able to see the colours of the stats that we hit. Compare that with your car and with the target groups. Compare the colours. I.e. > 50 is green... < 50 yellow...and so on... It allows us to focus in one group or more.

VW doesn't sell a Golf GTI just for hot hatch lovers...

[Leonardo9613]

I think the best approach is not aiming at a specific target group, but instead try to find overlap points. Check my car for example, wasn't great in a particular segment, but it was good across the board, with sales in every segment except for $compact. And it ended up in second place.

[8bs]

Yes i agree. And for that reason, some cars even with zero sportiness, sold in the Hot hatch group.

[Leonardo9613]

That actually makes a lot of sense to me, it seems like the consumers wished for more sportiness, but couldn't afford it. Its just like reality, everyone has their dreams, just a few can actually afford it. And in this challenge no one got the Golf Gti formula right, maybe it was too early for that.

[xwing]

Well consider it from this side - I would love to buy a hot hatch, but ended buying Hyundai Accent, well, because reasons (bang/buck being one of the most important ones). PMP's car would probably become the top rated hot hatch in magazines (kudos to you, looks like a great car), but that doesn't mean it would be a bestseller given the competition. Also, those stats yell more Trackday than everyday Hot hatch, which should be at least a bit comfortable and safe, especially compared to competition - hot hatch should be similar in stats to normal small cars but with higher emphasis on sportiness and a bit lower emphasis on price - but as others already noted, its hard to get high sportiness in these years without really hard compromises in other areas. In the end, it shows it wasnt really feasible to sell dedicated hot hatches in the 60s, which is pretty historical

[bullko]

Extremely happy with my entry I definitely received more than what I hoped for.

Thank you all, and especially to you Der Bayer! Great stuff!

[Der Bayer]

Der_Bayer, because so much depends on the price and you simulate 5 years, would it be possible to adjust prices for example after the first year of sales? Close the competition, make a simulation for one year and post partial results (you dont have to post all, maybe only finance overview or just total sales), leave 24hours for price adjustments of participants and then simulate the remaining 4 years? Or make automatic price adjustments per year (but only in x% increments), but that would probably be pretty hard because not everyone is here to maximize profit, some want to maximize marketshare. But nobody in their right mind would sit on overpriced cars without any discount, or keep selling cars cheap if they cant keep up in production

The challenge is not simulated in years, just the annual cost is based on 5 years. It would be possible to do five times with a fifth of the buyers each time and you send in new prices. But then, how many of the participants would send in a new price in 24 hours? If they just don't have the time to do so, they have a huge disadvantage. And it would increase my workload by the factor 5.

I do agree that service cost is too important, so I'm gonna multiply the ingame service cost with .5 in the future.

[PMP1337]

Also, those stats yell more Trackday than everyday Hot hatch, which should be at least a bit comfortable and safe, especially compared to competition - hot hatch should be similar in stats to normal small cars but with higher emphasis on sportiness and a bit lower emphasis on price - but as others already noted, its hard to get high sportiness in these years without really hard compromises in other areas. In the end, it shows it wasnt really feasible to sell dedicated hot hatches in the 60s, which is pretty historical

Totally agree. Other stats are important too. But to the point that cars with ZERO sportiness are better cars than other cars with more... And once more, I'm not talking about my own car. I'm talking about other cars.

The indexes should have been changed based on the era rather than the previous challenge. In this case, the sportiness should have been bumped.

Even if there weren't hot hatches back then there were small sports cars. Such as the giulietta GTA that I based my car on. Or the Lotus Elan.

The challenge is not simulated in years, just the annual cost is based on 5 years. It would be possible to do five times with a fifth of the buyers each time and you send in new prices. But then, how many of the participants would send in a new price in 24 hours? If they just don't have the time to do so, they have a huge disadvantage. And it would increase my workload by the factor 5.

I do agree that service cost is too important, so I'm gonna multiply the ingame service cost with .5 in the future.

The fuel consumption should have more importance in the service costs. To differentiate better the cars based on their fuel consumption.

[Der Bayer]

Just to prove that hot hatches are possible in 1965: Take a look at Der_Bayer_Test.

[GenJeFT]

Just to prove that hot hatches are possible in 1965: Take a look at Der_Bayer_Test.

I must have made a good car. Even with the addition of the test car I still sell every car made plus some.

How did my car outsell some of the budget cars in the budget market despite being significantly more expensive? I got a larger marketshare in the C$ market then both Kubboz and Hermmie despite there cars being priced at 8,999 for Kub and 11,500 for Herm compared to 14,250 for mine. The test only made it worse since the only budget car to consistently beat mine in all he budget categories was Normans.

That will probably not be the case for the next contest since I have an idea on which way I want to go with it. But it is an interesting observation.

[Der Bayer]

Because your car is a lot better, so most buyers still preferred yours.

[NormanVauxhall]

If I only had a mega huge factory... I'm quite sure a lot of people out there that would like to buy my car but were all sold out! XD