AVUS Grosser Preis von Berlin 1991 [FINISHED, RESULT INSIDE]

[Puffster]

So the 340 mark is a bit too low to be competitive in the C50 class if I understood the discussions so far? even if NA?
And when you say suficcient cooling, do you mean required cooling or just enough that it doesn't say insufficient cooling in the overview tab

[koolkei]

yeah... i still haven't be able to achieved more than 330km/h with any body for the c50 class so when someone said 360.... nope, i think im gonna skip the c50 class altogether

[BurningBridges]

So the 340 mark is a bit too low to be competitive in the C50 class if I understood the discussions so far? even if NA?

340 is not bad at all, in this years field I expect that it would give you a good mid field finish, and more if participation stays low.

But perhaps there is a misunderstanding, the "competitiveness" differs wildly between cars that are just "good" and a few who are running close to an unknown optimum. What that optimum is I will not say in advance, that is for the competition to find out. But 340 is 20km/h under the maximal performance of the 1000c cars, do you think a car with 20% more horsepower less goes that much slower, just because it has no Porsche body?

And when you say suficcient cooling, do you mean required cooling or just enough that it doesn't say insufficient cooling in the overview tab

Please look again at Rules R2 and R3.
Car and engine reliability >= 50.0 implies the Overview tab must be working ("car has insufficient cooling to run" must go away) and reliability is > 50, engine reliability must also be 50 or higher)

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[BurningBridges]

yeah... i still haven't be able to achieved more than 330km/h with any body for the c50 class so when someone said 360.... nope, i think im gonna skip the c50 class altogether

Yes, 330 is mid field, but that problem will not go away if you go to the C60, unless you do something different / have found a better chassis for that class.

[Puffster]

Just wanted to make sure so I didn't break any of the rules. Final question regarding total time calculation: Will you be using times from sector 2 and sector 3 to calculate flying laps or using the track time from standing? From how I understand the rules you wil be using standing lap times, but if not I will focus on improving time in sector 2 and 3 and ignore sector 1.

Thanks for a great challenge

[BurningBridges]

No this talk about sectors was in respect to another track, the Dessau LSR, which originated from some ideas in this thread. Sorry if that confused you.

For the AVUS dont concentrate on any sector times, only lap times and fuel consumption.

This is a 1000 km race and cars will need refueling pit stops. I explained previously how pit stop time is calculated (basically: total pit time = number of pit stops x 2:00 min)

The calculation of your total race time over 1000km is: lap time x 121 laps + plus total pit stop time. Cars will be classified according to total time.

[BurningBridges]

OK Gentlemen, a bit over 48 hours left.

I received no entries in the last days. So I will probably clock a bunch of my own cars on saturday, so I can see what was possible on the track. Then I'll finish the official results on sunday.

[DeusExMackia]

Sounds like a good plan.

[olebolesparabol]

I've send two cars to participate yesterday evening by PM. Looking forward to hear how well/bad they manage to do

[BurningBridges]

Received cars from olebolesparabol and MaamVastra.

Also a reminder about mods. Please dont use modded fixtures you got from the Steam workshop. Even though I installed Steam the much praised workshop functionality is not working (I subscribed to the mods but it does not download anything). That means I not only lost my key for the standalone but it has achieved nothing. Steam is exactly what I knew it would be. A huge unnecessary something that does things on my computer without explanation. With a simple download link to the mods this could be fixed in 2 minutes but now I need to fix a system that I never needed in the first place. In the long term Steam will have to go from my computer and since this has taken away my standalone key, Automation will have to go too.

[CadillacDave]

Received cars from olebolesparabol and MaamVastra.

Also a reminder about mods. Please dont use modded fixtures you got from the Steam workshop. Even though I installed Steam the much praised workshop functionality is not working (I subscribed to the mods but it does not download anything). That means I not only lost my key for the standalone but it has achieved nothing. Steam is exactly what I knew it would be. A huge unnecessary something that does things on my computer without explanation. With a simple download link to the mods this could be fixed in 2 minutes but now I need to fix a system that I never needed in the first place. In the long term Steam will have to go from my computer and since this has taken away my standalone key, Automation will have to go too.

This might seem silly but are mods enabled in the options menu that pops up before the game starts?

[BurningBridges]

Yes of course.

[CadillacDave]

Yes of course.

I did have this problem before but unfortunately I forgot how to fix it, I might have reinstalled and deleted all the files

[BurningBridges]

Thanks, but it's not important. I am not going to spend time fixing Steam for the reasons stated above.

It was just necessary to have the latest version of Automation so we get the same lap times. And most guys already submit cars without fixture mods anyway.

[BurningBridges]

Still receiving entries, and will hopefully wrap this up some time tomorrow. The race results should come up some time on sunday, but as the calculations and stats are much more complex this time, I can make no definite promises.

Concerning Steam mods, well I was a bit p****d, but at least it achieved I get the correct lap times now. That was stupid in the first race, when I realized too late that there was quite a discrepancy. Now your and my times should be the same, although the game sometimes acts up in many ways. One way to f*** up everything is to export a car, change and rename the car and then reimport again. Also some people have made two exports at different times that partially overwrite each other, this could (but need not) influence the results. What you should really not do is send two different versions of the same car that you exported and then changed for two different entries, and rely on me somehow figuring out the exact order you created them. Instead, always create two different cars that dont overwrite each other.

Looking forward myself to see the results, as there have been several good entries with different chassis and some very interesting approaches, some of them even very amusing. Some people tried to maximize fuel efficieny, some others have tried something radical. So far there seems to be no "best" chassis either, which is good. Turbos and NAs are pretty close after pit stops, though turbos hold a minimal edge.