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Post Tue May 12, 2015 6:31 am

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TheBobWiley wrote:Also, small V8s rule yet again. A super rough tune of a crossplane V8 dropped 2 seconds off my I6 engine's time..... Time to tune a new engine :\


I've had this discussion with other users multiple times in other past tournaments. By and large, the v8 has it over the i6 but in some scenarios, the i6 comes in awfully handy.

If I recall correctly though, I think I've used an i4 LOL. I had so much money left over, it was quality sliders everywhere :P
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 6:37 am

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I was actually thinking about playing around with an i4 and going for crazy low weight. :)
If I have time I may just mess around with it to see what I get.
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 7:05 am

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An I4 is heavier per capacity than a V8, because the V8 shares part of the block for both banks. That's why V8s are so good in these early years of the challenge where lower weight is king :)
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 7:12 am

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Killrob wrote:An I4 is heavier per capacity than a V8, because the V8 shares part of the block for both banks. That's why V8s are so good in these early years of the challenge where lower weight is king :)


sure! smaller bores, shorter strokes, more power circles per revolution!
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 8:07 am

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trackpaduser wrote:Also, about those sub 2:40 times, they are definitively possible on slicks. And maybe even on sports with some tweaking.


"Some" tweaking.

Some.

Meh, Ardent's going to withdraw from the BRC. I thought sub 2:47 was going to suffice. I don't have the knowledge (much less the time) to find a way to tweak that down anywhere close. Clearly I have learned nothing about performance builds from repeated competition running, so why waste the space? I might qualify, but not do anything more than that. Might as well let my spot go to someone who still gives a crap.

I'm really sad to hear that. And not just because sub-2:47 was about the best speed I was able to manage after reducing my car weight as best as I could - because it seems like the not-Sprite body is going to be the only competitive choice.

I imagine the power-to-weight ratio rule was put in place to try to balance the vehicles, but it just doesn't seem to be working here. :(
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 8:17 am

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Yeah, main issue is with the tires. Too much weight and you overload the tires under braking/turning and end up with more wheelspin problems.

Maybe going with a min weight and max displacement could somewhat fix those issues, but then you would end up with the better cars being much faster compared to the slower cars.

I mean, imagine cars that are both more powerfull AND better tuned.

One thing for sure is that I don't think having one p/w limit is going to work very well with Turbos, especially since they tend to drink a lot and have worse powerbands compared to similarly powered NA engines.


Still, if you ask me, I think the current system, while it has its issues, is probably the fairest way, but it will probably require a few changes once turbos come in so they aren't made useless.
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 8:19 am

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I managed to get a 2:42:something with the Not-Ferrari body, which is much faster than many of the people posting here :) it's not impossible to do well with other bodies than the Not-Sprite. Some interesting differences there potentially. You could also try using the small 1945 body that dominated the 1945 challenge.
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 8:21 am

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Yeah, the Ferrari is definitively going to be fairly competitive, as it is quite aerodynamic and not too heavy. The others bodies tend to have issues with either of those, like the cortina that has almost twice the drag of the Sprite.

But you still have the problems with the power-weight limit + tire size limit, especially if the tires are mediocre.
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 9:59 am

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So far my V8 non-sprite does 2:39.xx, 40mpg, and has a sexy-as-hell powerband. Feeling good for this competition :)
One of these races when I don't have time to tune my car I'm going to enter some massive engine'd land barge and laugh all the way to last place.
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 11:20 am

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TheBobWiley wrote:So far my V8 non-sprite does 2:39.xx, 40mpg, and has a sexy-as-hell powerband. Feeling good for this competition :)
One of these races when I don't have time to tune my car I'm going to enter some massive engine'd land barge and laugh all the way to last place.


Finally someone to keep me company!
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 12:02 pm

Re: BRC 1955 - The Golden Age [BUILD]

strop wrote:I'm not sure whether this will go any better than 1945, where I just went for lightness and didn't really fix anything else. This time, with an improved suspension tune, we'll see if this power barge can match the little guys in the corners!

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Large coupe body represent! *fistbump with Kristina* (now with over 200hp, muahahahaha)

TheBobWiley wrote:To clarify, we are allowed to use safety with negative quality to artificially lower the car's weight? Think I may need to find 2 pounds to lose.....


I asked this same question in the previous BRC. It was frowned upon then, and I was told that the calculations may be ironed out, but as yet they have not changed.

AFAIK the majority of us wouldn't be doing it (and I'm not, myself), but if it's just 2 pounds, I don't personally see a problem with it, as it still costs extra anyway. I would obviously defer to Der Bayer for a decision on this though!


I don't think I'm breaking any rules (If I am, I can remove the image). I am north of 200hp, but nowhere near the 2:40 mark on ATT. But, as you know, it is a pushrod V8, so....yeah. It's a pretty fat little coupe, to be honest. Chevy Power!

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Post Tue May 12, 2015 1:15 pm

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@07CobaltGirl: Nice looking coupe!
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 1:30 pm

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It will need more work. It's still pretty slow, and by the sound of the others, it's stupid slow. haha
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 1:32 pm

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Killrob wrote:I managed to get a 2:42:something with the Not-Ferrari body, which is much faster than many of the people posting here :) it's not impossible to do well with other bodies than the Not-Sprite. Some interesting differences there potentially. You could also try using the small 1945 body that dominated the 1945 challenge.


I tried just revising the old car to see what I could do to it but the game does not allow me to change the year from 1945 to 1955, the year buttons just did not work.

Then the game crashed and I had to reboot for it to work again.
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 1:33 pm

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Colbaltgirl, only 52 loudness? My little 1.5L is at 62, let that beast roar!
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