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Post Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:15 am

Noma Engine Works

Noma Engine Works, an idea first conceived by Stanford Noma in 1929. Born into Detroit, Michigan in 1915, Stan was raised around a very strong presence of a booming automotive industry, which would come to fuel the idea for his company. All of a sudden, the stock market took to a downhill sprint and crashed, leaving the young Stan at a crossroads, either go and work to send money home, or stay with his family, the choice was obvious. After 9 years, conflicts were rising in Europe, and so was the American economy, it was also in 1939 Stan took the biggest risk he'd ever taken and took out a loan to buy a garage and all the equipment needed to produce engines at a nominal rate to sell to the army. His risk had paid him off in 1946, substantially enough to be able to buy a cheap working factory and a scrapyard to increase income and ease production costs. Then finally, after many long years of toil and hardship his dream was finally coming true. Stan recruited some, which would later turn out to be, lackluster engineers, to design the first engines for the company during the late 40's. The engines produced by this company will be posted here.
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Post Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:10 am

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The 2 engines produced for the army and 1 engine for the general public, in 1940-45
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318 S-40.jpg
The only V8 the army ever bought from NEW, this engine was used in the 1-2 ton trucks and light AFV's needing more power than the 178 S-40 could provide.
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one prototype V8 which was sold only as an upgrade for worn out engines in other cars, never mass produced.
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The simple and cheap I-6 which was sold to the army and used in anything from light AFV's to GP vehicles.
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Post Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:06 am

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Some questions I have:
1. Why are you using cast log exhaust manifolds?
2. Why are the octane ratings so low?
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Post Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:33 am

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SamSheepDoq wrote:Some questions I have:
1. Why are you using cast log exhaust manifolds?
2. Why are the octane ratings so low?


Looks right for a government contract ;)
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Post Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:59 am

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nialloftara wrote:Looks right for a government contract ;)

Possibly, but why limit horsepower? I understand the cast log headers are great for making <2,000 RPM torque, but at the cost of 20+ horsepower? And I didn't realize that any government at the time prefered the low quality unleaded fuel (even though it is quite a bit cheaper). Don't get me wrong, they're excellent engines, but I just couldn't help but wonder.
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Post Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:21 am

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85 octane at 1940, sounds about right. Same with the Log manifold.
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Post Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:38 am

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RobtheFiend wrote:85 octane at 1940, sounds about right. Same with the Log manifold.

I was refering to the two running 77 octane. Did they really use 77 octane at that time?
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Post Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:14 pm

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Hello Samsheepdog, thank you for your comments, regarding the use of low octane fuel in the war, 80 octane was known to be used by the 1100 cui ford GAA, which only had 7.5:1 compression. So that, plus the fact that i'm trying to stay with the backstory and engineer less than good engines, is why all 3 are rather dull engines. As for the cast manifolds, purely for the fact that they were just inexpensive and cheap to machine, i hope i've provided some insight to your questions.
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Post Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:25 pm

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For further history if these were army engines their tolerances would have to be higher to allow for various fuel types and for impurities due to storage and handling.
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Post Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:54 pm

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First off, thank you Samsheepdog and nialloftara for posting questions and insightful texts, i hope to see more, it is genuinely appreciated as i wouldn't have done the research and found out i could have improved the octane, or stopped for a second and improved upon mechanical and environmental resistance, thank you again. Second, i give you the first actual production engines built for vehicles in 1946, featuring 1 full production V8 for larger and more robust vehicles as an option, 1 order only V8 for customers whose old engines couldn't quite cut it anymore, and an I-6 as standard equipment in cars/trucks.
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380 F-46.jpg
Introducing the 380 F-46, an engine proposed by Noma engineers in early 1945 for use by the army, but was turned down due to the ending of the war and for other unknown reasons. now in production as an engine mainly for truck use, but also an option for the full size luxury sedan.
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282 S-46.jpg
The second revision of the first 282 S-40, retaining the same position of the original engine, which was to replace customers old, worn out engines.
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178 F-46.jpg
The second version of the 178, this engine was standard power option in the 3 body types Noma produced at the time, the sedan, pickup, coupe and all of their variations.
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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:08 pm

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Welcome to the third installment of engines from Noma, Featuring 3 V8s debuting for the 1950 model year, redesigned by new more experienced engineers freshly hired to get a more satisfactory job done. Including robust improvements in exhaust flow with short cast iron headers, 2 barrel carbs and stronger camshafts with stiffer valve springs for improved power and durability. Also, all of the engines from here on out, now have the capability to interchange parts reliably, as they all share mostly the same size components, even the I-6s, and fit each other with no hesitation.
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The redesigned 380 F-50, featuring all cast iron short headers for improved air flow and significant horsepower increases as well as new technology, 2 barrel carburetors, reliable-fire distributor, and heavier bottom end parts to provide a 40 horsepower increase to drivers. Optioned for trucks and special order for sedans.
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The 282 S-50, available only to citizens who order the engine at any certified N.E.W garage, improving upon many things from air flow, with the new technology of short cast iron headers and the new High Flow HS carburetor setup, which turns the slow F-50 rat into the nimble S-50 mighty mouse.
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The 282 F-50, this model of the 282 has been de-tuned to some extent to allow for lower quality gasolines to be run through the engine without hesitant knocks, which should appeal to a much broader spectrum of buyers.
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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:37 pm

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Very impressive torque numbers for the year, my 40's and early 50's V8 couldn't handle more then about 250 before it warned of failure. Keep the excellent engines coming. :)
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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:39 pm

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Thank you nialloftara, i must say though, Centauri Industries put out potent, high horse V8s for the 50s and 60s, very competitive engines my friend, keep your work up. :D
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Post Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:38 am

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Ah, I understand now. Keep up the great work! :)
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Post Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:58 am

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The engine picture got lost in the server shuffle but that 428 is a monster! I can't wait for the next update so that can fit in a car body, I'd love to see a head to head of the test lap with comparable car models between my lighter more compact but less powerful '57 Titan B3f and that. I'm excited to see what comes out of N.E.W. in the 60's. :)
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