Modern push rods

[vmo]

In some videos about the 12th march update, appears in the engine a option called modern pushrod, but in the latest video, dissapeared.

What is this system?

[Der Bayer]

Modern pushrods are valvetrains found in for example Corvette engines, so it is advanced pushrod technology. It is not in the latest video because of the year the car is built in: Modern pushrods are not yet available in 1990.

[Brucemation]

Modern pushrods are valvetrains found in for example Corvette engines

Oh really? That looks like a lie to me and here's proof:

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GM Gen IV V8 (LSX) - 2005 Chevy LS7.lua

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GM Gen IV V8 (LSX) - MOHV - 2005 Chevy LS7.lua

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The LS7 is the highest revving of all the GM LS engines with the biggest bore (therefore the most demanding on it's valves) and yet even it requires negative quality with Modern OHV to be recreated accurately.

Spec sources: http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/cr ... s/ls7.html and http://www.automobile-catalog.com/
*With the second link you're going to have to manually search the site to find the specs for the 2006 MY Chevy Corvette Z06.

[Killrob]

May not be the best idea to call one of the most respected (for VERY good reasons) member of the community a liar in your first ever post on the forums.
We may have gone a bit too far with their capability to rev, that's a balance issue if anything. They are supposed to be exactly what Martin says though.

[Brucemation]

May not be the best idea to call one of the most respected (for VERY good reasons) member of the community a liar in your first ever post on the forums.
We may have gone a bit too far with their capability to rev, that's a balance issue if anything. They are supposed to be exactly what Martin says though.

A balancing issue? I think not. MOHV, the way you guys made it, is 100% pointless. Now as much as I'd love to rant about just how pointless MOHV is and how you or whoever is a hypocrite for adding it, that as you say "may not be the best idea" for my third post.

[RobtheFiend]

You go from +10 down to -3...... look up the price difference on those two engines.

[Brucemation]

But that's only the LS7, the most demanding LS engine on it's valves by a fair margin, if I was comparing just about any of the other LS engines the results would be flipped. The quality sliders are there for a reason and that reason is that some manufacturers have higher quality control standards and as LS7's are handmade they should have lots of extra quality.

[RobtheFiend]

The entire LS family is considered to have MOHC.... you are comparing apples and oranges.

[Brucemation]

Look dude I'm going to be ignoring you after this post because you clearly don't know what you're talking about or what I'm saying, but as one last attempt... THE ENTIRE LS FAMILY OF ENGINES CAN BE RECREATED WITH STANDARD OHV, IS BETTER REPRESENTED BY STANDARD OHV AND MOHV IS 100% POINTLESS!!! I bit you farewell.

[tehfatkid]

I, for one, welcome the modern overhead valves. Makes it easier to achieve some level of simple, low-revving efficiency without DAOHC or thinking, "Well, I suppose I could spend half a century in the tycoon part pouring R&D money into OHV so that it's somewhat competitive with current real OHV engines." Quality sliders and rich fuel mixtures aren't my style, these MOHVs are.

[RobtheFiend]

Look dude I'm going to be ignoring you after this post because you clearly don't know what you're talking about or what I'm saying, but as one last attempt... THE ENTIRE LS FAMILY OF ENGINES CAN BE RECREATED WITH STANDARD OHV, IS BETTER REPRESENTED BY STANDARD OHV AND MOHV IS 100% POINTLESS!!! I bit you farewell.

Someone needs to switch to decaf.

[Kubboz]

See, -3 it a bit too low, but MOHV is not pointless, just kinda overpowered. LS7 does not have +10 quality, it just has a kinda decent, advanced pushrod setup.

What you need to remember is that "handmade" does not have to refer to uber-luxury car interiors level of quality. I can also refer to cheap PSP knockoff hand-made somewhere in a Chinese sweatshop. The LS engines are somewhere in-between, I guess.

[Killrob]

I just wanted to ask what strange things are going on with Brucemation, he seems very angry for very weird things.
Okay I explain it nicely one more time and if you continue to be a total asswanker then you get banned, okay?

Thing is: what you show in your OP is valid criticism, it points to a bit of an imbalance with the game, namely pushrods becoming too good and MOHV being a bit too good without techpool. That needs to be addressed, maybe by stopping normal pushrod's natural development at a certain point (when MOHV come in). That would be reasonable. We'll have a look a bit further down the line to see how it works out best gameplay wise.

Cheers!

[RobtheFiend]

Maybe stop standard OHV at 1980-85 and move to MOHV. I think that the rest of the world stopped making new engine models with OHV at that time, only 'mericans continued.

[TrackpadUser]

The thing is that MOHV meant for sportier and more expensive engines, as it is quite expensive due to it being made from expensive metals.

OHV was still being used in more modest engines well into the 2000's, in the form of a 2.2L in the Chevy Cavalier.