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Mil1983 wrote:My top 6 are:

1) 1962 Lancia Flaminia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lanci ... vl_TCE.jpg)
2) 1963 Bentley S3 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... eldorf.jpg).
3) 1961 Citroen DS 21 (http://www.gt-spirit.fr/data/classes/vo ... image1.jpg)
4) 1963 Maserati Quattroporte (http://www.automoblog.net/wp-content/up ... 23x446.jpg)
5) 1963 Mercedes 600 (http://www.autodrome-cannes.com/mercede ... 3-4_lo.jpg)
6) 1961 Jaguar Mark X/420G (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ar_420.JPG)

I have voted on 1965 New Yorker, not 1962. Ranking is now correct. - Kubby

The Citroen DS is in a smaller category, in "E-segment". It had an about 2000cc 4cyl engine, and it's not enough for a luxury car I think.

"And for our ranking, there is a risk to spread our votes due to the big number of different and beautiful models of cars in the US in this era. That's why I tried to take 3 cars from the US with bodies the more differents that I could find between each others."

RedRiot wrote:I like the DS too, and I know that it's a special car. But I still think its rather a large family car / executive car than a full-size luxury car. I will certainly put it on my " '50s large family car / executive cars" list, but not into this one.

I thought a lot about US cars. American cars from the '30s up until the late '70s were completely different to European designs. Especially in the golden age, in the '50s and the '60s. I think they deserve a separate category: the "American full size car". If the player wants to play Automation historically correct, and he starts a compeny in the US in 1950 he doesn't need small cars, but a selection of large bodies and strong 6 and 8 cylinder engines. American compact cars like the Rambler, the Ford Falcon and the Plymouth Valiant wouldn't need a separate category - they could merge into a generic "large family car" class. Same with the sports cars: there weren't that numerous American sports cars that would require a detached class. But the "US full size" category should be separated. Cars belonging there were unique in design, technical and marketing aspects, so they deserve it.

VicVega wrote:

RedRiot wrote:I like the DS too, and I know that it's a special car. But I still think its rather a large family car / executive car than a full-size luxury car. I will certainly put it on my " '50s large family car / executive cars" list, but not into this one.

I understand your point, but if we create a 50's or 60's large family car / executive cars category, which car we could add aside of the DS? For me the executive cars era is starting only in the early 70's with the rise of BMW as an answer to Mercedes-Benz, the Peugeot 604 and Citroën CX in France, the Fiat 130 and Lancia Gamma in Italy and the rise of the swedish manufacturers (Volvo and Saab)...

machalel wrote:

VicVega wrote:

RedRiot wrote:I like the DS too, and I know that it's a special car. But I still think its rather a large family car / executive car than a full-size luxury car. I will certainly put it on my " '50s large family car / executive cars" list, but not into this one.

I understand your point, but if we create a 50's or 60's large family car / executive cars category, which car we could add aside of the DS? For me the executive cars era is starting only in the early 70's with the rise of BMW as an answer to Mercedes-Benz, the Peugeot 604 and Citroën CX in France, the Fiat 130 and Lancia Gamma in Italy and the rise of the swedish manufacturers (Volvo and Saab)...

IMHO:

Full size luxury would include BMW 501/502, MB 220, MB 300SE, MB300 SEL6.3, Lagonda Rapide, Citroen SM, Daimler Sovereign,

Large Family would be Borgward P100, Volvo 164, Peugeot 504, Rover 3500, Riley 4/72,

Mil1983 wrote:I think full size luxury and large family could be a single "class" of car bodies, in the game.
On the same "body", you can build your Peugeot 504 and sell it as a luxury car (if you give your 504 a big engine, luxury optional and so on) or a large family car. It's your choice, but the "body class" can be the same.
Then, the game, in its "reports", tells you that your car is sold as a luxury car, because of engine, features, price, ... .
What I say is that "body class" isn't the same as "car class". On the same body class (let me say, station wagon cars), you can design a Skoda Octavia Wagon and a Audi RS6. The car body is the same (at least, body class), but car class isn't.