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Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:28 am
by 09webbad
Like the title says... just a thought ;)

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:55 pm
by Water77
Yes it is possible. I believe the air/fuel mixture you choose is the full throttle air/fuel mixture. When you use Direct Injection and a power mixture of 15:1, the cruising mixture is something like 25:1 or close to that. It should say the cruising mixture when you are using this slider. But... if you are talking power mixture below 15:1, I am sure it is possible, just probably wont produce much power.

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:52 pm
by RobtheFiend
Between 12 - 12.5:1 seems to produce the most power.

That is what the real world tuners get when they map real world engines.

Chemical correct ratio for normal gasoline is 14.7:1.

These are for max power, cruising is leaner ratios.

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:24 am
by 09webbad
I know for a fact that the ideal fuel mixture is called a Stoichiometry mixture :geek:

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:10 am
by RobtheFiend
Geek warning! ;) :ugeek:

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:12 pm
by darkjedi
The mixture with the best fuel efficiency is 15.6. anything lower than this will will result in less efficiency.
keep in mind this is at full throttle and for MPI

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:36 am
by 09webbad
Then why isn't the minimum mixture 15.6:1?

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:46 am
by Slim Jim
09webbad wrote:Then why isn't the minimum mixture 15.6:1?


The mixture number in the game (that you set) is the number for "power enrichment". The cruise number is also given and can go into the 30s if you use direct injection.

In real life or in the game, 15.6 afr's are dangerously lean at full throttle.

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:47 am
by Juno8
the lowest possible is 15:1 and the highest you can go is 10:1 that is what Daffy and the other programmers built in...although I would like their feedback on this please

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:22 pm
by Daffyflyer
Even 15:1 is so ridiculously lean for full power mixtures, you'd have a very hard time making that not explode and melt pistons etc IRL.

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:25 pm
by Juno8
I run my engines usually around 13.3:1 to 12.5:1 or even right up at 10.0:1 if its a super powerful V8 big block with lots of BOOOOOOOST on it

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:41 pm
by darkjedi
very lean mixtures like 15 or less have difficulty igniting, just like ones that are too rich. unless the engine has suffcient compression and advance.also, it does burn very hot, but will not necessarily knock.

as a note: diesels operate with a very wide range of mixtures. they work with anything between 3 and 48:1. and stoic is 14.6 for diesels (yeah , pretty close to petrols. after all,they are related, but if it runs at this mixture, it will hit 6000 in less than a second if not under load)

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:52 pm
by xABSOLUTIONx
speaking of lean burns and economy in general - take a look at Hondas VTEC-E it disengages 1 intake valve at low RPMs to allow leaner burns and make it more economical

read up - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC#VTEC-E

i have no idea on the mix values though

Re: Is it possible to have Fuel Mixture bellow 15:1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:47 pm
by Juno8
I think of VTEC as the work of the Devil myself so it has variable Mixes me thinks