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Post Tue May 12, 2015 4:58 pm

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trackpaduser wrote:Limiting to width regardless of sidewall height would cause problems when trying to replicate this and other large trucks.

It would also let you make ridiculously low profile tires on 1945 cars, which doesn't really make any sense.


That's not what I meant. I meant keep the existing limitations based on sidewall, but add an overall maximum tire width limitation so we can't have crazy wide tires in the decades when no such things existed. As for the truck example, obviously the overall width would need to allow for the vehicles that are in the game from that time period. However I don't believe there are any plans to have large trucks in the game.

Then again, if it's too much trouble I'm not against not doing anything to it. I just saw this thread and posted my idea.
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 6:20 pm

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On that note, given that the bodies available in the early years don't really allow for overly ridiculous wide tyres, but I'm not familiar with cars from that period, could you go into some specifics on what would constitute 'too wide' and suggest a hard number for a proposed limit? The devil in that idea would be in the details.
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Post Tue May 12, 2015 6:48 pm

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strop wrote:On that note, given that the bodies available in the early years don't really allow for overly ridiculous wide tyres, but I'm not familiar with cars from that period, could you go into some specifics on what would constitute 'too wide' and suggest a hard number for a proposed limit? The devil in that idea would be in the details.


Looking in the game quickly, one example is if I use a stupidly small 10" wheel I can put a 275 mm tire on the 1955 luxury sedan body. Perhaps one of the worst offenders, the 1975 cargo truck, can have 305 mm tires without even reducing the wheel size. You can get a 305 tire today, but in 1975?

Again, not a huge issue. I was just pointing out something that might be a lot easier to implement than what the OP was suggesting.
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Post Wed May 13, 2015 12:31 am

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Those of you begging for this type of content in the game, do not TL;DR this post....

Tire sizes have changed drastically in America over the past 50 years. I don't know about the rest of the world, however. In 1975 a tire may have measured 305mm, but it wasn't a number used. Of course, the rest of the world except the US has been using a metric system for eternity, so Europe/Asia may well have had this type of sizing standard for eternity as well. Of course, those were the days of bias-ply tires for vehicles. Radials (or steel-belted radials as they were initially called) did not exist, or were still very new and not seeing heavy use anywhere in the world.

From my recollection, the 80-series and 78-series (middle columns) started seeing standard usage in the late 60s and continued into the late 70s/early 80s in the US. These were bias-ply tires. Passenger cars adopted the P-Metric system a bit earlier than trucks did, as radial tires became pretty common on passenger cars long before they were thought of for use on light/heavy trucks. Finding smooth transitions from these early sizes to modern metrics is a challenge, to say the least. They're not really "comparable". It is also worthy of noting these ancient bias-ply tires are still road legal (in the US at least) and for sale as you will see below.

Some of you might not know what I mean by "bias-ply tires", so here is a listing of tires for cars made before the radial tires of the 1980s:

https://www.universaltire.com/firestone-tires/firestone-vintage-bias-ply-tires.html

Take note of what the tire sizing looks like.

Here is a listing specifically for bias-ply truck tires:
http://www.stausaonline.com/product-category/light-truck-tires/

Finally, here is a cross-reference chart for bias-ply tires to use newer P-Metric tires. They are NOT perfect matches, but similar enough to keep you out of trouble.

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http://www.turbinecar.com/misc/Tire_Chart.jpg
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If you're really interested, here is information on what a bias-ply tire is, and why they are different from today's radial tires.

Automation takes a very liberal, simplistic view concerning tires, and for good reason. Switching between these is complicated and not really necessary for a game. It is, however, a part of the real world. Keep this in mind when you beg for more "realism" in the game, as complexity of automotive engineering might be a lot more than you'd really like to see. As the old adage goes, be careful what you wish for.
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Post Wed May 13, 2015 12:56 am

Re: Tire/tyre Catalog

Bias ply are also known as cross ply, at least in the UK.
I remember, as a kid, being scared shitless by a public safety announcement warning of the dangers in using cross ply and radial tyres on the same axle by having a car flip over onto it's roof.
Having said that, most 70s and 80s PSAs were shit scary.
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Post Wed May 13, 2015 12:58 am

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Something else to note about bias-ply.....no need for directionals! Flip the tire around to any corner and it performs just as poorly as it did on the original location. Radials separate if you run them in one direction and then flip them in the opposite direction. PSAs today are shit scary too! haha
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Post Wed May 13, 2015 1:11 am

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Oh I dunno, there was one about not playing near electricity substations that ended with an exploding child and another voiced by Donald Pleasance, the stuff of nightmares and wet beds
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Post Wed May 13, 2015 1:22 am

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Not to completely derail the thread, but....when I was a child, we played after dark outside without adult supervision, went to the store by ourselves, stayed home (or went outside to play) after school when nobody was home to watch us for hours, and rode bicycles without any helmet/padding (and sometimes in only a bathing suit!), so, yeah. ;)

We could also ride motorcycles with no helmet, legally, on the street, with other traffic around us (this pretty much ended completely in the US in the 90s)!
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Post Wed May 13, 2015 4:51 am

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07CobaltGirl wrote:We could also ride motorcycles with no helmet, legally, on the street, with other traffic around us (this pretty much ended completely in the US in the 90s)!


Only time I ever went to the US I went to Illinois in 2011.

Seeing all those guys on motorcycles with no helmet on was a bit strange.
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