Vans and hybrids?

[ChristianHA]

As the topic says, will it be possible to make any of these two?
And how thorough is the suspension part of the game?

[Kubboz]

Zeussy's quote:

The chassis setup will be done from set templates, to which you can then change. Suspension will not be super technical. It will more be about how modern/expense you wish to spend on the car. Do you go from a leaf spring, to a coil spring. Better suspension = better ride. There will probably be an option where you can spend money/time to get your engineers to make the suspension better for that model of car, but no direct tweaking yourself.

However, it was written on 12th August, and it may differ from current state.


Another Zeussy's quote:

You are free to run any sort of company you want, [...] even a company making Twin Turbo V12 Removalist Vans[...]

So, yes, you are able to make vans.


And I'm unsure about hybrids.

[ChristianHA]

Thanks for the answer. Must have slipped through while I was reading through the site.

As for hybrids, I hope they are in the game, since they unfortunetely are a big part of motoring today.

[zeussy]

We do have plans for hybrids, quite how it will all be done we are not sure. There are a lot of propriety and patented solutions.

[Monkey_Mitchell]

So if there are plans for hybrids are there also plans for all electric vehicles or are you going to wait on that?

[Daffyflyer]

Yeah, electric vehicles would have a whole different range of design parameters, might be in an expansion though

[Deus ex Machina]

solely electrical cars are crap IMO.

the energy doesnt come out of the plug, it comes from a power plant, and those are mostly driven by oil gas or nuclear reactions.

in germany a smart with that kind of engine produces 122g CO2/km at the power plant. with the normal diesel engine the smart emits 9x g CO2/km.....

[Drake]

solely electrical cars are crap IMO.

the energy doesnt come out of the plug, it comes from a power plant, and those are mostly driven by oil gas or nuclear reactions.

in germany a smart with that kind of engine produces 122g CO2/km at the power plant. with the normal diesel engine the smart emits 9x g CO2/km.....

I agree.. Here in Canada we don't get alot of cars with good diesel engines since for some stupid reason they pass american emission standards.. Which really makes little sense when they produce less of most emssions.

I have a feeling the americans hold gas and diesel engines to the same emission standards instead of separate standards.

And then there are Hybrids.. What a waste of money. Why pay 2 times as much for a car that gets maybe 20% better fuel ecconomy?

People should learn how to drive better to save fuel, that has much more todo with it than what kind of car you drive. Top gear raced a Prius around a track as fast as it could go, and had a BMW M3 follow it, just trying to keep up and the M3 got better fuel ecconomy.

Plus Hybrids are more enviromentally damaging in their lifetime than a Land Rover Discovery.(seriously)

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk

Edit: and this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOvp69ln ... re=related

[Deus ex Machina]

what is a good diesel engine?

go to the european sites of

Mercedes CDI is diesel
VW/Audi TDI
FIAT/Alfa/Lancia JTD
Ford TDCi
Opel CDTI

[Drake]

what is a good diesel engine?

go to the european sites of

Mercedes CDI is diesel
VW/Audi TDI
FIAT/Alfa/Lancia JTD
Ford TDCi
Opel CDTI

We dont get any of those

Along with any Japanese diesel engines..

Yet we can buy the Prius, the one most enviromentally damaging car in the world. The cost of the Hummer H2 is around 2$ a mile, the Prius is $3.25 a mile.

Edit: well to be fair, we do get some Diesel engines.. We get like one TDI engine in the VWs and one in the Mercedes. (And those cars are really expensive here)

But other than Truck engines, thats about it... No small diesel engines in ANY American or Japanese car.

[ChristianHA]

solely electrical cars are crap IMO.

the energy doesnt come out of the plug, it comes from a power plant, and those are mostly driven by oil gas or nuclear reactions.

in germany a smart with that kind of engine produces 122g CO2/km at the power plant. with the normal diesel engine the smart emits 9x g CO2/km.....

I agree.. Here in Canada we don't get alot of cars with good diesel engines since for some stupid reason they pass american emission standards.. Which really makes little sense when they produce less of most emssions.

I have a feeling the americans hold gas and diesel engines to the same emission standards instead of separate standards.

And then there are Hybrids.. What a waste of money. Why pay 2 times as much for a car that gets maybe 20% better fuel ecconomy?

People should learn how to drive better to save fuel, that has much more todo with it than what kind of car you drive. Top gear raced a Prius around a track as fast as it could go, and had a BMW M3 follow it, just trying to keep up and the M3 got better fuel ecconomy.

Plus Hybrids are more enviromentally damaging in their lifetime than a Land Rover Discovery.(seriously)

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk

Edit: and this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOvp69ln ... re=related

Actually, diesel engines are a lot more damaging to the environment than petrol engines, due to the high NOx emissions. Here in Norway, we really struggle at wintertime, because most of the cars sold today are diesels. In the big cities there's so much particulate matter asthmatics are having trouble being outside. This has never been a problem, until just a few years ago when the sale of dieselcars began taking off.

[Drake]

solely electrical cars are crap IMO.

the energy doesnt come out of the plug, it comes from a power plant, and those are mostly driven by oil gas or nuclear reactions.

in germany a smart with that kind of engine produces 122g CO2/km at the power plant. with the normal diesel engine the smart emits 9x g CO2/km.....

I agree.. Here in Canada we don't get alot of cars with good diesel engines since for some stupid reason they pass american emission standards.. Which really makes little sense when they produce less of most emssions.

I have a feeling the americans hold gas and diesel engines to the same emission standards instead of separate standards.

And then there are Hybrids.. What a waste of money. Why pay 2 times as much for a car that gets maybe 20% better fuel ecconomy?

People should learn how to drive better to save fuel, that has much more todo with it than what kind of car you drive. Top gear raced a Prius around a track as fast as it could go, and had a BMW M3 follow it, just trying to keep up and the M3 got better fuel ecconomy.

Plus Hybrids are more enviromentally damaging in their lifetime than a Land Rover Discovery.(seriously)

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk

Edit: and this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOvp69ln ... re=related

Actually, diesel engines are a lot more damaging to the environment than petrol engines, due to the high NOx emissions. Here in Norway, we really struggle at wintertime, because most of the cars sold today are diesels. In the big cities there's so much particulate matter asthmatics are having trouble being outside. This has never been a problem, until just a few years ago when the sale of dieselcars began taking off.

Most new Diesel engines have Particulate filters that remove 85-100% of the particulates from the exhaust.

Aside from that Diesel engines will last twice as long or more than petrol engines. That means less cars have to be produced and less damage to the enviroment.

They may produce more NOx, but they produce almost no CO2 and get much better mileage. In the long run, Diesel is better for the enviroment.

[ChristianHA]

Most new Diesel engines have Particulate filters that remove 85-100% of the particulates from the exhaust.

Aside from that Diesel engines will last twice as long or more than petrol engines. That means less cars have to be produced and less damage to the enviroment.

They may produce more NOx, but they produce almost no CO2 and get much better mileage. In the long run, Diesel is better for the enviroment.

Then why are the local authorities in Paris discussing to ban cars with diesel engines?

Check this link for some figuers:
http://www.ecotravel.org.uk/fuels_5.html

[Deus ex Machina]

because of the hype about the dastadrly dirty diesel engines, which makes such moves popular, even if the reasons are at least faulty.

on a side note: do they include busses and lorrys/trucks, which normally also run on diesel?

if not: see the first two lines for the full and only reason.

[Kev2442]

I live in France, and most of those cars out there are diesel ones.
In this country, taxes on diesel engines are fewer than on gasoline ones.
And I must say, If I remember well, in 1l of petrol for example, we can have 20% of diesel and 15% of gas. So with a particles filter, the diesel engines is way less damaging for the environment and uses less petrol than a gas one. It's then preservating our ressources.