Open Beta: Suspension & Dynamics (B1322)

[Noporian]

It tells me to reinstall automation to install the patch, did it, nothing is happening

[kalsylum]

I'm on b1320 and every time I alt+tab my game, I got this graphical bug



Anyway, is economy calculation changed since latest stable release? I get noticeably better economy now.

[Reaper392]

MTBF is 0 because of the cooling penalty in the engine designer, but if you provide a body with enough cooling, it will be > 40000 km.

Is there any way to remove the cooling penalty from the engine designer when you are designing the engine on its own? Or, even better, perhaps have a slider that changes the simulated level of cooling your car has in the engine designer? Its kind of annoying getting 0 MTBF on any of the very high power engine that I make, and it would be very useful to see just how starved of cooling air an engine can be without going bang.

@kalsylum. try playing in windowed mode. While it doesn't fix the problem if i alt+tab from the game, i don't get a problem if i simply click outside of the game or onto the taskbar

[Killrob]

@ Reaper392: yes, we will remove that limit soon, it only makes sense not not have it anymore now that we do have the cooling required stat in the engine designer. Although, as a negative, everyone and their mother will start building a new "the most powerful engine" xD which is a clear downside.

[Der Bayer]

@kalsylum: The engine efficiency, especially of old tech (carburettors) has been buffed a lot. Before that was changed, we got 3x the fuel consumption for "old" cars compared to "new" cars (this was some weeks ago in closed beta). Fuel consumption for old cars should be quite realistic now.

[kalsylum]

@kalsylum: The engine efficiency, especially of old tech (carburettors) has been buffed a lot. Before that was changed, we got 3x the fuel consumption for "old" cars compared to "new" cars (this was some weeks ago in closed beta). Fuel consumption for old cars should be quite realistic now.

That explains why my simple four banger with no VVL and DI can get 27% economy

[NyanCatx3]

Great Patch at all! The music at the designers is awesome!
And yes , there are various bugs . Atm i found 3 and a half . ^^


idk maybe something with reflections? Location : Car Platform Designer


Remember its just a test-engine Location : Engine Designer


two bugs at once . gotcha! This is the part with the half bug. because the upper bug is in the engine designer too. Location : Car Model Designer

These are the bugs i found atm.

[MViking]

Just came across this little quirk. I'm not sure whether its just a case of miss wording in the warning or if there is a bug in the cooling calculations.

[statman]

I don't think anything has changed in the turbo calculations. This is the result from a quick try (nothing special or too much optimized), power should be enough (750 hp). MTBF is 0 because of the cooling penalty in the engine designer, but if you provide a body with enough cooling, it will be > 40000 km.

Thanks for a quick response, I'll manage that.

I found a bug in the engine tester that I can't hear blow off valve sounds.
When I fire up the engine and open the throttle to the max and close the throttle quickly, I can hear it only in first time, and never happen again unless you go back to engine manager screen and choose the engine again...

[NyanCatx3]

Another bug found.

The body of that Alfa GTV is pretty bug'ish at the front part of the car. When you select a part from the Air scoop section , and place it on the hood , stretch it as wide as possible , the game crashes. and the hood gets openings where you can look into the engine bay. I wasnt able to take screens because of the crash.

Sorry for bad english. i know Killrob is german so i'll write it in german too

Die Karosserie von dieser art Alfa GTV hat bugs am vorderteil. Wenn man eine Lufthutze wählt und diese von der motorhaube aus langzieht , entstehen zuerst öffnungen und dann , wenn man es weiterzieht , stürzt das spiel ab. deswegen auch keine screens.

[pyrlix]

Great Patch at all! The music at the designers is awesome!
And yes , there are various bugs . Atm i found 3 and a half . ^^


idk maybe something with reflections? Location : Car Platform Designer


Remember its just a test-engine Location : Engine Designer

two bugs at once . gotcha! This is the part with the half bug. because the upper bug is in the engine designer too. Location : Car Model Designer

These are the bugs i found atm.

We are working on the Localization

[Der Bayer]

I've been building a lot of high-powered rear-wheel drive cars, and while they all have excellent cornering grip, and accurate handling stats... the acceleration seems off. For example, in order to get an E63 AMG (2012, twin-turbo) close to its real-life acceleration stats, I have to move the weight distribution slider to the extreme rearward bias. If I use the real-life weight distribution, it spins way too easily... even with semi-slick tires.

Mirroring what an earlier post said, the fake weight is not the only slider that is bugged. The weight distribution stat "sticks" when you revise different models.

I think what you are experiencing with the RWD acceleration is a problem linked to the height of the center of gravity. Currently, if you set the fake weight slider to a bigger value than the base weight of the model, the height of the center of gravity will probably drop. This results in less dynamic weight distribution to the rear while accelerating -> less grip -> less acceleration -> less dynamic load on the rear axle -> less grip -> less acceleration -> ...
We'll have to take a look at the height of center of gravity in the next subproject, when we install interior into the cars.

Today I found out that indeed acceleration grip is bugged in the current version. I accidentally broke the longitudinal grip calculation while calibrating cornering grip (wider tires didn't give much more grip anymore). I sent the corrected calculations to Caswal, so things should be alright again with the next update.

[Reaper392]

I've found a bug with deleting fixtures, wings and lips on the Honda-CRX style body. If you select a fixture, place it down, then immediately delete it the aerodynamic penalty will stay on the car. However, if you add another fixture of the same type it will not add to the CD. This happened with wings, grills and lips. Also, if you then go back to the body selection and choose the same body, despite removing all the fixtures automatically, you will still get the same CD, but none of the cooling/downforce benefits.

this all happened on build 1321

[Slim Jim]

Today I found out that indeed acceleration grip is bugged in the current version. I accidentally broke the longitudinal grip calculation while calibrating cornering grip (wider tires didn't give much more grip anymore). I sent the corrected calculations to Caswal, so things should be alright again with the next update.

OK great! I'll keep an eye out for it, thanks for the update!

[USDMFTW]

I've been building a lot of high-powered rear-wheel drive cars, and while they all have excellent cornering grip, and accurate handling stats... the acceleration seems off. For example, in order to get an E63 AMG (2012, twin-turbo) close to its real-life acceleration stats, I have to move the weight distribution slider to the extreme rearward bias. If I use the real-life weight distribution, it spins way too easily... even with semi-slick tires.

Mirroring what an earlier post said, the fake weight is not the only slider that is bugged. The weight distribution stat "sticks" when you revise different models.

I think what you are experiencing with the RWD acceleration is a problem linked to the height of the center of gravity. Currently, if you set the fake weight slider to a bigger value than the base weight of the model, the height of the center of gravity will probably drop. This results in less dynamic weight distribution to the rear while accelerating -> less grip -> less acceleration -> less dynamic load on the rear axle -> less grip -> less acceleration -> ...
We'll have to take a look at the height of center of gravity in the next subproject, when we install interior into the cars.

Today I found out that indeed acceleration grip is bugged in the current version. I accidentally broke the longitudinal grip calculation while calibrating cornering grip (wider tires didn't give much more grip anymore). I sent the corrected calculations to Caswal, so things should be alright again with the next update.

I just thought my tires were that bad, lol.
Also, it seems increasing my tire width does not help out with tire spinning off the line yet it adds .06 Gs to the skidpad.