Man With a Van Challenge! (Second Review)

[Madrias]

Might as well show mine.

[strop]

Okay. I was writing a big text on balance of challenges and stuff, but whatever. TL,DR would be, no one cares about one single thing, and van owners and drivers care a lot about fuel and service costs, as those basically eat away their earnings.

You know, leo, I agree with you. It didn't seem right to submit a van with horrendous fuel econony and expect to do well, given real life considerations. But I saw the rules and the balance stipulated and, surprise surprise, built something for those rules. In fact this would be a challenge that doesn't fall prey to Max's earlier response to certain past challenges (which I'm heavily paraphrasing): that price and economy are valued more highly than stated.

Perhaps we could generate a more transparent calculation by actually using the cargo and utility values offset by the actual running costs etc. That could be a useful discussion for future challenges, but would have been more useful for this challenge if one had discussed that before submitting

[KLinardo]

14. Boss-Brute- The Quickest and fastest van Held up well as a utility vehicle, but could not keep up with
the regular car qualities.
414.81

What are regular car qualities? Why do they matter with a cargo van?

[koolkei]

You know, leo, I agree with you. It didn't seem right to submit a van with horrendous fuel econony and expect to do well, given real life considerations. But I saw the rules and the balance stipulated and, surprise surprise, built something for those rules. In fact this would be a challenge that doesn't fall prey to Max's earlier response to certain past challenges (which I'm heavily paraphrasing): that price and economy are valued more highly than stated.

Perhaps we could generate a more transparent calculation by actually using the cargo and utility values offset by the actual running costs etc. That could be a useful discussion for future challenges, but would have been more useful for this challenge if one had discussed that before submitting

that is why i suggested to add something

that is, a people's choice award. open up all the vans to public, make a strawpoll, let the people choose which are best.

[Leonardo9613]

Perhaps we could generate a more transparent calculation by actually using the cargo and utility values offset by the actual running costs etc. That could be a useful discussion for future challenges, but would have been more useful for this challenge if one had discussed that before submitting

That is true, however, I didn't think it would be necessary to question the formulas used beforehand.

I have made quite a complex formula that uses several parameters, however, it is a pain in the arse to fill and it doesn't work properly in other computers I tried.
I've no problem with people coming up with formulas of their own, if they work well. But just using a weighed mean is, honestly, one of the worst ways to do this, and the reason why costs usually are too important, because people often divide the mean by the costs, meaning that a small cost difference can become overly important.

[DoctorNarfy]

You know, leo, I agree with you. It didn't seem right to submit a van with horrendous fuel econony and expect to do well, given real life considerations. But I saw the rules and the balance stipulated and, surprise surprise, built something for those rules. In fact this would be a challenge that doesn't fall prey to Max's earlier response to certain past challenges (which I'm heavily paraphrasing): that price and economy are valued more highly than stated.

Perhaps we could generate a more transparent calculation by actually using the cargo and utility values offset by the actual running costs etc. That could be a useful discussion for future challenges, but would have been more useful for this challenge if one had discussed that before submitting

that is why i suggested to add something

that is, a people's choice award. open up all the vans to public, make a strawpoll, let the people choose which are best.

SHHHHHHHH YOU'LL RUIN THE- I guess it's already too late for that huh. There will be a people's choice, after the winners reviews.

[DoctorNarfy]

14. Boss-Brute- The Quickest and fastest van Held up well as a utility vehicle, but could not keep up with
the regular car qualities.
414.81

What are regular car qualities? Why do they matter with a cargo van?

I meant more on the topic of drivability, economy, comfort, etc. These vans should not only be good fat what they do, but easy to use.

[koolkei]

I meant more on the topic of drivability, economy, comfort, etc. These vans should not only be good fat what they do, but easy to use.

haha.... btw good fat???


anyway. please to this again. with different themes and build year this time around.
maybe pickup trucks? jeeps? SUVs? anyone else up for it?

[BlastersPewPew]

Wait......... complaints about my tire choice but not my BRAKE choice??? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! My van has 4 wheel drums at -7 quality still can stop in under 150ft though

EDIT: I am going to do a mini "review" of my van though because I think it is interesting.

[Lordred]

About fuel.

In the states, the avg 1-ton cargo van gets 11mpg.

For reference.

[DoctorNarfy]

Really? Never would have guessed. Where did you get that statistic? I just my stats on vans like the transit connect.

[Leonardo9613]

About fuel.

In the states, the avg 1-ton cargo van gets 11mpg.

For reference.

The vans here usually get 2-3 litres diesel engines, with 120-160 hp. They can carry around 1800 kg and yet get over 10 km/l (under 10 l/100 km, or 23.5 MPG US, 30 UK MPG).

[Lordred]

Real world experience. Just had to rent an E450 which was equipped with a 6.8l V10. We hauled 6700lb pof stuff in it. Maintaining 55mph and driving gingerly netted me 11.6mpg.

Then there are all the studio accounts and equipment shops we have out here, the avg 1ton rated peice of equipment out here gets about 11mpg all said and done


Now 1/2 ton equipment is pushing 22-25mpg now adays.

[KLinardo]

Real world experience. Just had to rent an E450 which was equipped with a 6.8l V10. We hauled 6700lb pof stuff in it. Maintaining 55mph and driving gingerly netted me 11.6mpg.

Then there are all the studio accounts and equipment shops we have out here, the avg 1ton rated peice of equipment out here gets about 11mpg all said and done


Now 1/2 ton equipment is pushing 22-25mpg now adays.

I guess my van would count as a Heavy Duty van because I'm much closer to the E450.

[Lordred]

That is what I was building for as well. A HD van. If I knew he wanted a LD van, I would have built that.