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Made a roadster for this. 7:16.76

i am still waiting for production rules, it is 10th of may 2015

Why don't you try sending a PM to strop instead?

The sad truth is, chlumsky did... A few weeks ago. In turn I PM ed jack and pleb about readjusting the rules of the leaderboards but neither of them have replied!!!

maybe its anticlimatic but there should be a category in which you cant exceed certain power mount or something...

Why not just use the top gear rules. Street legal ( 98 Ron, converters, no semi slicks.) and set a maximum bottom out penalty for passing the speed bump test.

That's pretty much what the original rules stated (minus the bottom-out penalty). We just had a lot of entries that were the race cars... with a converter and sports tyres whacked onto them Without other real life production car constraints it just didn't seem to be compelling enough to make what we'd generally call a 'production car'.

Having entered one of those yeah they were just one off race cars, but short of setting a minimum score for safety and maybe drivability along with a maximum cost or production units, it's got to be up to the user to decide.

maybe noise and emissions restriction and say, 1oo mm height?

Zonda R, racecar? maybe, still a production car.

Not at all a production car, they only made 10 of those. And they weren't road legal. In fact, they were so extreme, that they didn't fit any racing regulations either, the rear wing and the engine were too big for that. And it had more in common with the upcoming Huayra than with the Zonda itself, like the engine and the front and rear suspensions (I think).

This would need to be categorized as a racing car, for sure.

It's also to loud for any trackday racing, even if it was street legal.

I've been thinking (a bit) on the rules about production cars:

I see no problem on the next:

- fuel type 98Ron max.
- no semi slicks
- no race intake
- no race exhaust (race headers)
- when available, you have to use every muffler option
- chassis material cannot be carbon fibre
- no carbon ceramic brakes

and a few 'debatable' rules:

- weight/power ratio lower than 2 (i.e. 1400kg / 700cv or so, would not be allowed)
- undertray cannot be set on downforce configuration
- maybe a limit on rim diameter (20"?)

Some of those rules I unequivocally agree. The one about brakes, chassis, undertray... They actually exclude real world cars that are road legal and would post a valid time on the board if their company allowed it (I'm looking at you, Ferrari, Koenigsegg).

To get around this, I'm going to be testing a class system soon. I find that use of certain components does boost potential performance. But checking all those things does make the process a lot more complicated... We'll see how the test goes!

Yep, I know that the brakes, undertray or the W/P ratio will erase some options..., but they are a narrow (and somewhat extreme) spectrum of production cars.


Strop, precisely that's the kind of thing that I would not like for me (checking and reviewing cars through a complex system), I mean, it's for simply fun, enjoyment... dunno, well, If you are ok with that extra work no problem.

Another suggestion would be adding another category.
Production cars
Sport or perfomnace cars
Prototype/race cars