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Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:49 am
by koolkei
my 128 score engine.

and HOW THE FUDGE do you get 30+ efficiency with 0 quality?

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:02 am
by phale
-15:1 air-fuel mix, obviously

-Smallest possible turbine
-low boost (~0.6 bar)
-Compressor size matched to turbine and boost for optimum efficiency

-Ignition timing optimized for efficiency (~60-80, it depends)
-Careful VVL tuning (35 first, ~70-90 second)

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:54 am
by koolkei
did all that.

but i found out that sometimes looking for something a little bit more effective in making power ends up making slightly higher score. i mean i got 28-29% easily, but the performance is just shit. and isn't higher boost means slightly higher efficiency? im on roughly 0.7-0.8 bar.


i'm not the greatest at making the most efficient engines, but i'm pretty good at making an efficient overall car

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:28 am
by phale
Boost efficiency depends on the compressor size. When reducing boost starts reducing efficiency, lowering compressor size will increase efficiency (up to a point). Then you should be able to lower boost again. Less boost gives more octane to use for compression ratio. I basically start with the economy preset and then make it more efficient, lol. Also for more power raise A/R.

Re: Efficient Performance Engine Leaderboards

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:21 pm
by UMM
phale wrote:
UMM wrote:Here's my take on a small I4 NA engine :)

Feel free to comment.

Score: 80.3


You're on the leaderboard ;)

Since the equation weights efficiency so heavily though, I think you can do better with a more efficient engine.


I can probably squeeze a little more efficiency out of that engine, but not with that bhp i think. Also i have the redline at 8500RPMS and top bhp at 8300RPMS which hurt the reliability a bit. But i think thats more realistic then have the redline at the same RPM as the top bhp.

Let's see what other people came up with, a go from there ;)

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:23 pm
by strop
Wow. I suck at maxing the efficiency quotient. I was able to get 37%, but the performance sucked, so I'm only reaching turbo scores of 120 or so. Guess that's what I get for using the turbo solely for performance applications!

That said I do enjoy building eco hypercars, but they do require a fair bit of tech pool, especially on injectors.

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:40 pm
by USDMFTW
Spent about an hour on this one.
Score = 154.196

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Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:59 pm
by strop
Yo, isn't your AKI rating too high? It's max 95RON!

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:01 am
by Manche
I was getting a 108 aprox with a turbo mOHV v8

I rated higher in a 7.3 v12 twin turbo but I believe I discovered that large engines are still at a disadvantage in this challenge

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:19 am
by phale
Well, I think V engines are at a disadvantage due to their high frictional losses. I'm not sure but when I build V engines they either perform poorly at low rpm (hurting economy) or at high rpm (hurting power). It's harder for me to get the nice torque curves I get with inlines.

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:29 am
by USDMFTW
strop wrote:Yo, isn't your AKI rating too high? It's max 95RON!


Curse the different measurements, scored dropped a little.

149.06

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Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:22 am
by phale
Wow! That's really impressive! Care to share any special tips? (I want this challenge to be as much about learning and sharing knowledge as it is about showing off :D )

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:23 pm
by UMM
Another take, this time a 1.6L

Score: 90.1
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Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:57 pm
by phale
Looks like you're knocking in that screenshot - some further tweaks to ignition, compression and cam timing should make it even better!

Re: Efficient Performance - The Engine Design Challenge

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:12 pm
by MrChips
Sure, I'll give this a shot!

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A naturally-aspirated engine good for a score of 91.507.