Muscle Car Wars

[KingJanic]

I started a race for cars with smaller engines to emphasize tuning, but what about people who want lots of power and wheel spin? Well here you go:

Engine Restrictions: Production year 1960, V8, <400 Cubic Inches (about 6.5 liters), No Dual Overhead Cams, Super Leaded Fuel, No Race Tubular Exhaust, Man Hours <75, Material Cost <$1200
Platform Restrictions: Production Year 1960, Steel Monocoque, Front Longitudinal, No Wings/ Splitters (yet)
Model Restrictions: Rear Wheel Drive, MTBF >25k Miles (40234 km), 4/5 Speed Manual, Single Clutch, Semi Slicks, No Downforce Undertray

How to Submit:
Name of Car
Car Company (Optional)
Pictures (Optional)
Time around Example Track x2 (if time is 45 seconds, submit it as 90)
Quarter Mile Time (Game one, not SPG quarter Mile(Sorry 07CobaltGirl))

Tell me if you think the rules should change, Leaderboard will update after 20 submissions and then race will start over in 1961.
Get Example Track here: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3845

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[KingJanic]

My Submission:
Minotaur
FireBreather Motors

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Powered by a weak(ish), 428HP BoomBox:

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Lap time: 85.88

Quarter Mile: 13.74

Hope to get one-upped again and maybe learn something.

[07CobaltGirl]

Muscle cars belong on a proper drag strip!

[Junny]

I Easily got a 4 valve SOHC to around the same power as yours 429hp@4800 rpm but for the life of me i couldnt get a pushrod to come even close . which is disappointing.

[KingJanic]

Muscle cars belong on a proper drag strip!

A lot of muscle cars were used on an oval nascar track back when NASCAR was stock car.

I Easily got a 4 valve SOHC to around the same power as yours 429hp@4800 rpm but for the life of me i couldnt get a pushrod to come even close . which is disappointing.

Ya I tried to use a pushrods to save hours and money, but I couldn't get close to enough power.

[KingJanic]

Should there be a Half-mile time Leaderboard? If so, should we use 07CobaltGirl's SPG Half Mile or a formula (approximately 1/4 mile time * 1.8)?

[07CobaltGirl]

Car: 1960 Alpha RS Special Production Order
Manufacturer: Swanson Motorsports Engineering
Quarter Mile Time: 0:13.90s
Track Time (2 laps): 86:00
Specs:
--5.7L (350ci) 16-valve push-rod V8, 296hp@4800rpm, 333ft-lb@4500rpm, twin 4-bbl carbs
--4-spd manual transmission, 205-14FR/245-14RR, Front engine, RWD
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Track:


Engine:

[vmo]

My car with a bery big block (10750 cm3). The car is based in Buick Riviera and Cadillac Coupé DeVille:
-The car:

Montes ElMiraj - Rev0.lua

(68.06 KiB) Downloaded 254 times

-The engine:

10.1L XP 16V OHVRev0.lua

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And photos:

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(why only appears and can place the 3 posted attachments when I uploaded 6 files? (2 .lua and 4 photos)?)

[nialloftara]

If anyone is looking for a basic idea for old pushrod power take a look at the centauri engines link in my signature, I have a zip file with a bunch of my old v8s on the top of the third page you can play around with.

[nialloftara]

Heres a engine I'd love if one of you could run, the pushrod powered, 399.8 CID Black Betty

I can't run the open beta, but I love a good build challenge.

[KingJanic]

Niall I think you're engine is a little over reg size, but head over to the Extreme Drag Races and it'll fit right in.
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3943&p=32628#p32628

[nialloftara]

Oh, sorry your size limit said >400ci

Revised, only cost my 9 hp.

[USDMFTW]

It really is hard to get any of these engines to not be big a low reving truck engine.

[KingJanic]

Oh, sorry your size limit said >400ci.

Sorry, it's been fixed now.

It really is hard to get any of these engines to not be big a low reving truck engine.

Indeed it is (but I got nothing against trucks)

[07CobaltGirl]

I do like the power/torque of the Black Betty (and good job eeking that much power in a 1960 block!), but it simply isnt enough power to get out of it's own way at that weight. As some may have noticed, I have a thing for Chevy V8s (small blocks are just bad to the bone) and have a complete replica lineup of those engines. I tried curbing all of my engines back for this 1960 race and found the only way to get responsiveness high enough to break into the mid-13's AND run the track at 43s was to use quality sliders. Responsiveness just couldn't get much past 30 and hp/tq just wasn't high enough to overcome the 700 pound block. Sure they perform great on the dyno, but in a car they just don't match up. That being said, my entry is a 1960 version of a 350ci small block Chevy with pushrods and a twin 4bbl. I tried the 302 Chevy and couldn't get hp high enough. (I'm not much of a tuner) Maybe you could tweak it? haha Get anywhere near 400hp/425tq on this engine and it will be a whiz-banger! Not sure what version you are running so I included back to build 1198.