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Post Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:55 pm

LaVache Horseless Carriages (1986 Turbojet SOON)

This is the official thread for the third member of the IMP Automotive Empire.

LaVache Horseless Carriages is an american car maker founded in 1934 by the descendants of french immigrants. Their cars are mostly middle-class, with some sports cars thrown into the mix. A specialty of LaVache are large displacement V6 engines, all LaVache cars manufactured after 1966 were equipped with V6 engines of varying size. The best known of those engines are the original Big-Block V6 with up to 444cui and 350hp (SAE net) and the 305 V6 nicknamed "the Cow", first used in 1976 and still used today in highly developed form. Following the first oil crisis of 1973 LaVache fell into serious financial troubles, leading to the acquisation of the company through IMP in 1982. Within the IMP Automotive Empire LaVache has the privilege of semi-autonomity by using engines of their own design, but it ranks below IMP and Monolith (Monolith is the brand name of the IMP Commercial Vehicle Corporation).
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Post Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:32 am

Re: LaVache Horseless Carriages (feel the Thrust)

Time for some supercars to get attention.

The 1990s were a good time for LaVache Horseless Carriages (for the sake of simplicity I'll call them LV from now on), after the horrible 1970s and the 1980s which were dominated by restructuring processes following the IMP takeover in 1981, the company could finally focus on the actual products again. First off was a completely new engine. The first generation 6V50 series V6 was retired in 1992 and the compact-er 6V39 ultimately replaced by the IMP developed 6V34N in 1988, even though it was kept in production until 1991. However the 6V50 was to LaVache what the LS is to General Motors, and therefore a successor was developed. The new engine actually used a modified 6V39 block and cylinder head with slightly offset cylinder bores and a thicker block by 1". The end product had the same bore and stroke capacity as the old 6V50 but was identical in size to the 6V39. The new 6V50 engine (it was technically the third generation after the original OHV got Aluminum cylinder heads in 1986) was actually lighter than the 6V39 as the new, optimized cylinder heads were now manufactured from aluminum as well. The 6V50T3 was used in the 1993-1994 LV Ramjet '87, the 1995 Ramjet '94 (SOON) and this, the 1995 LV Thrust Supercar.
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The Thrust was LVs answer to the Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 and Dodge Viper RT-10. Unlike those it was mid-engined, so it would probably qualify as the first american Supercar if this wasn't Automation where this had been done a thousand times before. It featured two highly developed versions of the 6V50T3, both with 5.0L of displacement and unique to the Thrust, even though both were based on the existing 5.0 engines used in the Ramjet since 1992. One of them was naturally aspirated and developed near as makes no difference 400hp due to a more aggressive intake plenum and exhaust setup despite its pedestrian Direct Acting OHC design, which gave it one of the highest specific outputs of any american car at the time at 80hp/L.
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The rest of the car wasn't actually that special, the design was very much a 1990s supercar design with the obligatory pop-up headlights and the chassis wasn't outlandishly futuristic either, just honest plastic on steel. Equally, like most american cars of the era the interior was relatively cheap and taken almost straight from a base model Ramjet sedan (how's that for parts sharing).
On the other hand that made it cheaper than european supercars and only slightly more expensive than an Acura NSX despite being a lot more powerful. It may not have had the NSXs Ayrton Senna tuned handling (in fact the Thrust's handling was tuned by a guy called Steve), but it handled just well enough to be quick around a track still. And you really can't complain about 0-62 time of 4.3s and a top speed of 180mph. But none of that mattered when there was a turbo model with MORE POWER.
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It's 5.0L Twin-Turbo V6 produced just shy of 500hp and a donkey of torque. Some suggest that the car made way more than the advertised 490hp and 490lb-ft, maybe that was underrated from the factory, or maybe the boost controller was of such shitty quality that it always ran with 5psi more boost than intended. Regardless, it now did 0-62mph in 3.8s and hit 190mph. That the turbo lag made it even worse to drive than before didn't matter anymore. Unfortunately it also lost the pop-up headlights in the process because it wasn't actually very aerodynamic. Oh well.
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Note: I had to use ITBs and race intake to make the engine fit in the engine bay due to height issues. So please Lord Killrob mein Führer give me them 90°V6 engines??
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Post Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:22 pm

Re: LaVache Horseless Carriages (feel the Thrust)

Plot twist: Vector W8 was american supercar too and it appeared earlier.
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Post Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:04 pm

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Oskiinus wrote:Plot twist: Vector W8 was american supercar too and it appeared earlier.

No Vector was a hypercar in the sense that it was a ton of bullshit claims with nothing to back those claims up (still is, actually)
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Post Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:47 pm

Re: LaVache Horseless Carriages (feel the Thrust)

Awildgermanappears wrote:
Oskiinus wrote:Plot twist: Vector W8 was american supercar too and it appeared earlier.

No Vector was a hypercar in the sense that it was a ton of bullshit claims with nothing to back those claims up (still is, actually)


W8 was for real though. They made 19 which is a similar number to many modern-day hypercars. The W8 was sold to customers and tested
by many magazines. Car and Driver recorded 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 118 mph. The car was fully functional and many examples are still around and in driving condition.
Of the eventual fate of Vector you are of course right.

Back on topic: interesting cars, OP. Especially techincally. I like the fact not everyone is pushing silly 1000 hp engines :) 5-liter V6 is an interesting solution;
probably very space-efficient I would assume?
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Post Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:19 am

Re: LaVache Horseless Carriages (feel the Thrust)

TurboJ wrote:
Awildgermanappears wrote:
Oskiinus wrote:Plot twist: Vector W8 was american supercar too and it appeared earlier.

No Vector was a hypercar in the sense that it was a ton of bullshit claims with nothing to back those claims up (still is, actually)


W8 was for real though. They made 19 which is a similar number to many modern-day hypercars. The W8 was sold to customers and tested
by many magazines. Car and Driver recorded 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 118 mph. The car was fully functional and many examples are still around and in driving condition.
Of the eventual fate of Vector you are of course right.

Back on topic: interesting cars, OP. Especially techincally. I like the fact not everyone is pushing silly 1000 hp engines :) 5-liter V6 is an interesting solution;
probably very space-efficient I would assume?

But none of those W8 could ever verify their claim of 650hp and 230mph.

Hardly. The engine I use has the same bore and stroke (108 x 90,8mm) as a GMC 305 V6 from the 1960s. Due to the way the fuel system is positioned on V6 engines in Automation it ended up being too tall for the engine bay, unless I used individual throttle bodies and a race intake. I have yet to find a mid-engined engine bay where it actually fits with a sensible intake. Then again it'll fit in just about any non-supercar body.
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Post Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:41 am

Re: LaVache Horseless Carriages (1994 Ramjet Full-Size)

In order to generate Thrust, first you need a jet. A Ramjet in this case. Enter the 5th generation.

Development of the 5th generation LV Ramjet began in 1990. The oldschool body-on-frame chassis was carried over from the 4th gen, which some may consider "conservative", but in all honesty the car was LVs answer to the Panther and B-Body platforms so it didn't matter. One thing that was changed however was the rear suspension, now fully independent with semi trailings arms, which did give the Ramjet a minor advantage in terms of handling. The other area LV engineers were very concerned about was aerodynamics. The previous Generation was quite boxy and unaerodynamic, which didn't really fit the aeronautical name of the car. The car got a completely new fastback bodystyle with a drag coefficient of just 0.27, one of the lowest of any production car at the time. The only engine available was the 6V50T3, albeit in many different variants.
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The base trim for the Ramjet was the CT4, aka the fleet special designed specifically for rental car agencies and taxi drivers. The main goal of this trim were low running costs, both in maintenance and fuel. The engine was a highly detuned 4.1L version of the 6V50T3, making just 170hp and 240lb-ft, but returning 29mpg paired to a 4-speed automatic transmission. The wheels were of the cheapest steel variety imaginable, and the rear featured drum brakes instead of discs. It was cheap and it did what it was supposed to do, and most of them ended up in junkyards after they had fulfilled their 500.000 mile service life. Even then most of them ran without issues thanks to pragmatic but tough as nails construction with gear driven OHC and six bolt main bearings that didn't mind running without any engine oil for a week... or five.

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The next trim in the hierarchy was the ST4. It had the same engine and transmission as the CT4, but here it developed 217hp and 255lb-ft. The only other difference were the 4-wheel disc brakes.
This particular model was popular with elderly drivers, probably because it was comfortable. Today, one of these in good condition with low mileage with cost you nothing at all because one does not simply buy a Ramjet ST4, you inherit it from your grandparents, making it the perfect high-school ride for a 16-year old.
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Ramjet ST5: for the seasoned man who's made it. Full fat 5.0L V6, 258hp. These are actually pretty popular with budget street racers, as they are dirt cheap to buy, easy to modify and can hit 160mph in stock form thanks to their great aerodynamics.
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Now we're talking. This is the Ramjet RT5. It too has the 5.0L V6, a hybrid with the forged internals of the RT5 S, but the low-lift camshaft and small diameter valves of the ST5. It has 300hp, the heavy duty package (limited slip differential, stiffened chassis rails) as standard and it'll do 170 mph. This particular model is popular with drag racers because of its aerodynamics. In fact, the fastest 1/4 mile time of any stock block Ramjet was set by Bob Robson's heavily modified 1996 Ramjet RT5 with a 1400hp twin turbo 5.0 which did a 7.93s pass @ 171mph.
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Onto the truly collectible stuff. The Ramjet RT5 S is the sportiest of all Ramjets. It's engine is the same as in the RT5, but features a higher lift camshaft and a more aggressive intake and exhaust, as well as an additional oil cooler and larger radiator. It may only have 20hp more than the RT5, but its strength lies in the corners. The entire chassis has been further beefed up with upgraded springs, dampers, vented four piston brakes at the front with two pistons at the rear, low-profile 18" wheels with sticky high performance tyres, widened track width and aggressive camber. The result was a car that, over 20 years after its launch is still hailed as one of the best handling body on frame cars ever despite it's size and weight. The pièce de résistance however was the 5-speed manual transmission only available for the first three model years due to poor sales making it one of the most sought after (and expensive) models. Later models had the 4-speed automatic from the turbo.
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The RT5 Turbo is the high-end model of the Ramjet family. It has a 5.0L twin turbo V6 that produces 375hp and nearly 480lb-ft of torque. The Turbo however did not have a manual transmission option like the RT5 S it is based on, and it also lacks the suspension upgrades from said model but because of the immense power it can reach over 180mph, making it more of a straight line sports car killer. The distinctive feature of the RT5 Turbo is its fancy hood scoop. But there was still one car that even the Turbo couldn't catch...
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This is the RT5 Interceptor. It combined all the best bits of the Ramjet RT5 models, mainly the narrow-body of the RT5 with the engine and transmission of the RT5 Turbo and the cylinder head and oil cooler of the RT5 S.
It also received cop shocks, cop suspension, cop brakes, cop wheels and reinforced concealed push bars. It had 435hp, did 0-62mph in 5sec and had a top speed of 190mph. Unfortunately it was in fact not sold to the general public as this model was for highway patrol units only. If the Police were driving in one of these, your chances of escaping them were minimal. The chances of spotting them were even lower, because the only visual difference between an unmarked RT5 Interceptor and your granny's beige ST4 was a small cooling duct on the side:
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Thankfully, due to the high price and maintenance costs only about 1,500 of them were built in 1995 and 1996, making them incredibly rare and expensive on the used market (three years ago, a well seasoned, but also well maintained example sold for $113,500 at a police auction).

Overall, this generation of Ramjet was very successful, selling over 730,000 units between 1994 and 2001, most of which being CTs and STs. CT and ST models were known as indestructible if uninspiring cars much like their main competitors. Since 2008 a story about an elusive immortal Ramjet circulated on the internet, in which a very early ST4 drove over 600.000miles in america with only half of them including regular maintenance, crashed multiple times and later exported to Bolivia where it supposedly still rolls around flattening potholes with its original engine and chassis.
The much rarer RT models on the other hand earned a cult following in the tuner scene because of the overbuilt engines capable of withstanding immense power.
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